Republicans may have the votes to repeal HCR and to override a veto-Politico

[Politics_Guy25]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46942.html


Upton, whose committee will play a key role in the GOP's effort to roll back the law, said that he believes the House may be near the two-thirds majority required to override a presidential veto.

“If we pass this bill with a sizeable vote, and I think that we will, it will put enormous pressure on the Senate to do perhaps the same thing,” he said. “But then, after that, we're going to go after this bill piece by piece.”

Wow. Do you buy this? As for the senate, they need 19 dem senators. They have 47 + Nelson, Mccaskill, Nelson, Webb, Tester AT BEST. I really fail to see how they get anywhere near 67 votes in the senate.

What a GOP shill piece.

[woodsprite]

1. If they did that, wouldn't that mean more Dems would get voted in in 2012? n/t

[WhiteTara]

2. Politico

is very gop leaning.

[underpants]

8. The purpose of this story is to feed the MSM tomorrow that it is already over

the RW (Politico is a conduit for the Drudge Report) is the champion of getting their "news" story out first.

[Mass]

3. Upton needs to please his masters, the Koch fundation.

But I wonder what he smoked before giving this interview.

[Politics_Guy25]

5. And also I assume that the dem leadership controls what reaches the senate floor

Reid won't let the senate endlessly debate and try to repeal HCR. No way. That is, if the senate works the way the house does, where the leadership decides what is debated on and voted on end of story.

[former9thward]

16. Senate operates under different rules.

51 Senators can move a bill to the floor despite the majority leader. In the House it is almost impossible to do without the Speaker's support.

[Ikonoklast]

4. Politico = Right Wing Nonsense.

I'd like to see them back up any of their bullshit.

They throw out crap like this, never get called on it when it turns out to be pure pasture patties.

[struggle4progress]

22. +

[OHdem10]

For those who say Labels do not matter, if this is fact,

then I will bet you an arm and a leg it
is not Liberals giving the Republicans
the votes they need.

Simple math: The Republicans in the House
do have the Republicans votes to repeal.

In the Senate, the only way it can be repealed
is for Democrats to vote with Republicans(enough
to have 60 votes) 67 to override the veto.

[DCBob]

6. Maybe the Democrats should introduce an alternative bill...

modifying the most controversial provisions.

[sweetapogee]

11. you got that right

my friend

[CakeGrrl]

7. Cool. Then they'll make the new bill even BETTER!

:sarcasm:
:sarcasm:
:sarcasm:

[bluestateguy]

9. They would need 48 Democrats in the House

Last year they had 39 Democrats who voted no, and a lot of them are not coming back this week.

[OHdem10]

17. The Republicans are in charge and have said they have the

votes in the House. This is to be one of their
first actions. They were going to pass it in the
House symbolically--knowing, the Senate would not
pass it.

If Politico is correct, it is only the Senate where
there is a problem. The GOP must have Democratic
Votes to reach 60 and 67.

[karynnj]

10. I'm with you - in fact, I would imagine it would be filibustered in the Senate

So, it couldn't pass period. They would need 60 votes - meaning they would need 12 Democrats. I don't think they would get them - especially as there would be pressure on Democrats thinking they could vote against it. They might even lose some Republicans - Brown is now for a bill that he and Wyden have introduced.

The real problem they will find is that several features in the bill passed are exactly the ones they listed as what they want in their reformed bill - and some pieces they dislike are in fact needed to get the pieces they want. I hope the organzations that all backed our bill will mobilize people to know what they would lose.

I also don't buy that they are near the two thirds needed in the Senate. I have never heard of Upton and have no past experience with his ability to count votes. Not to mention - his immediate comment that after that they go after it piece by piece implies that he really is not confident.

[sweetapogee]

13. this is why

I don't understand dems looking to modify the filibuster rules.

[backscatter712]

12. A majority in both houses? Maybe, 2/3 in both houses for a veto override? Not. Gonna. Happen. n/t

[elocs]

14. I read about that here this morning. Big talk so early on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4680137

[jenmito]

15. Upton is full of it. Him thinking he could have enough Dems. to override a presidential veto

is nothing more than spinning to placate the teabagger base for now. It means nothing.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. So they got the House covered

How many Democrats will go along with that in the Senate??

:wtf:

It will still have to go through the Senate, right?

[Ozymanithrax]

19. 2012 election strategy is to show that just the House isn't enough to...

return Republicans to power.

They will be making a lot of symbolic votes that they know will not pass in the Senate. Then, it will play 24/7 on the media that the Senate is keeping the American people from being given what they want.

This is for 2012. The election has started.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. Hopefully

people will APPLAUD the Senate for not passing the POS bills that the House is inevitably going to pass. A minority of the public may have elected a Republican Tea Party majority in November but what they fail to understand and/or refuse to recognize is that there was (and is) simply no mandate for most of their policies/proposals and if they spend too much of their time pursuing whackadoodle investigations and/or policies instead of helping create jobs (which is what most people presumably thought that they would be accomplishing by voting them in), then their asses are going to be on the line in 2012 not President Obama's. President Obama has gotten so much accomplished during these past two years, he can use the next two years to set up his re-election strategy for 2012 and, hopefully, a strategy for the Democrats to win back full control of Congress by 2012.

[Ozymanithrax]

23. If the media transmits 24/7 that noting is done because Democrats refuse to compromise..

However, ultimately, Democrats must govern, not Republicans. If nothing gets done, I think Democrats will take the blame.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

29. Depends largely though on what the Repubs are trying to get done

The Republican Tea Party fervently believes that they have a mandate to do whatever they want to do, which is primarily to UNDO most of the last two years and they are the ones whom won't compromise on ANYTHING (they'll attempt to be "true" to their principles) and the Democrats will only suffer for it if the majority of the public agrees with the Republican Tea Party on what they're trying to do. My guess is that once most moderates and independents see the naked extremism and "know-nothingism" of the Republican Tea Party in action, they'll side with President Obama and the Democrats much like how most people rallied against Newt's "GOPAC Zombies" in 1995. Despite the unpopularity of the new health care law, the Republican Tea Party's "Public Enemy #1", a majority of people support the law as it is or want to expand it NOT repeal it and start all over again. There is very little support for repealing any of the provisions of the new law save for the mandates though if getting rid of the mandates means expanding the size and scope of the law and/or creating a public option or an expansion of Medicaid, then I'd be all for that.

[COLGATE4]

20. Politico = Fux News Lite. Upton = Michigan asshole.

[BzaDem]

24. Upton is only talking about the House, not the Senate. Though even in the House he's full of it.

There won't be 290 votes in the House or anywhere close.

As for the Senate, Reid won't even take up the bill.

[golfguru]

25. The HCR bill is a corporate boondoggle

and as such I will not shed any tears if the repugs kill it.

For profit private insurers (FPPI) get a gift of millions of additional paying
customers with mandates.

There is not a single restraint on premium hikes by FPPI in the bill.
The FPPI's are free to increase your premiums as high as necessary until
their profit goals are met.

The HCR bill prohibits drug importation! WOW what a bonanza for big pharma!
Drug importation clause would have saved millions to consumers.

No competition to FPPI from PUBLIC OPTION to keep rate hikes under control.
This was the only effective means of restricting run away rate hikes.

Competition to FPPI from across the state lines by other FPPI's is prohibited.
So each state has it's FPPI's operating as monopolies without outside competition.

To be sure there are some very good things in the bill such as no cancellations
and no rejections. However both of these are NOT mutually exclusive with the
above listed items now missing from the bill.

[divine_truine]

26. Repukes & teabaggers were whining & disrupting townhall mtgs for a whole an entire year!...

...prior to the Affordable Healthcare Act vote held back in Dec '09! Remember? let's watch the disingenuous gop attempt to explain to the American people WHY they want to repeal healthcare law when the Congressional Budget Office already confirmed the bill is DEFICIT NEUTRAL! But then again, the repukes have never seen a CBO score they didn't like and would rather make idle threats such as 'pulling the plug on grandma' & 'govt hands off my healthcare!' & other Bald-face LIES targetting our vulnerable elder communities! F U gop-teanbaggers! btw gop, where are the f#cking jobs you pieces of human waste! The network msm will rip your ugly costumes off if I have anything to say about this.

[tomm2thumbs]

27. they can spend THEIR first 18 months on it and see where it gets them too

have fun!

[onenote]

28. as I pointed out in a separate thread, the math simply doesn't work for Upton

In order to get to 290, Upton needs to hold all 242 repubs and pick up 48 Democrats. Only 34 Democrats voted against the bill and more than half of them are gone, replaced by Repubs. If the remaining dozen or so Democrats who voted against the bill voted for repeal, that would still leave Upton more than 30 votes shy of a veto proof majority (and its by no means a given that every Democrat that voted against the bill initially would now vote to repeal it). The chances that Upton peels off 30 plus Democrats to support repeal are essentially zero.

So, the real issue is whether the media will depict a vote to repeal that falls far short of the predicted veto proof majority as a major defeat for the repubs? It should, but I'm not holding my breath.

[HeroTwins]

30. nope. it will never get 67 votes in the Senate. HCR is here to stay.

;)