HCR going down according to the polls they are pushing....

[Historic NY]

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-health-care-bill-repeal

[rurallib]

1. Think Obama will sign it?

[Historic NY]

3. maybe not but it pushes the worst than Carter memo.

[Arkana]

14. Not in a million fucking years.

It took a full year of his Presidency to get this thing and it would take a seismic event of epic proportions to get him to somehow sign a repeal.

[vaberella]

30. sign what...they an overturn his actions without a veto. Nothing e can do. n/t

[vi5]

2. That's impossible.....

..Remember how we were told that once it passed it would be so ridiculously popular and everyone would love it and anyone with a D after their name would be standing on the shoulders of giants and on and on and on?

And yes, I know that individual components of HCR are popular and poll well. But with the piss poor messaging and effort at selling this thing to the American people rather than just having it be a "We passed it, it's signed, now close the drawer and let's move on" approach that most elected democrats too, the piecemeal popularity doesn't mean a whole lot does it?

[karynnj]

5. Did you look at the link? It is favored by 60% now and the trend has been upward

[vi5]

9. I opened the link...

But the flash part doesn't work on my computer. And the poll numbers just show "Support" versus "Oppose" and I thought they were talking about support for repealing HCR not for the reform itself.

[Turbineguy]

4. The whole republican push

was to ensure that it would not work in the first place.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. It's not even fully in place

It was declared a failure almost immediately after it was signed into law. However,polling aside, once the Republicans start actually debating repeal and are forced to explain why we should get rid of one provision or another that is already helping people (or refuse to fund it), I have a feeling that it won't get much further. I've not seen or heard of any Democrats whom would actually support junking it altogether and President Obama certainly isn't going to do away with it and to the extent that anybody on the Democratic side wants to change the law, it is to expand it not curtail it.

[Safetykitten]

7. Ah..."It's not fully in place," DUH!

So what do you think is easier? Taking something away from someone that is right there in the palm of his hand or taking away something that does not exist?

[OHdem10]

8. How could American People love something they never really

understood?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. There ARE things in the law that are in effect NOW

Will Republicans be willing to stand up and tell the public that they believe that people can do without a ban on pre-existing conditions, keeping young adult dependents on insurance longer, etc and will people support them in this?

[geek tragedy]

11. That trend line is all Rasmussen and Fox news. zzzzz. nt

[FrenchieCat]

12. TRENDS LOOK PRETTY GOOD TO ME...and we are mainly talking Rasmussen & Fox news! LOL!

fROM YOUR LINK: :shrug:

Date Pollster --------Oppose Support
01/02/11 Rasmussen 36.0% 60.0%
12/26/10 Rasmussen 38.0% 60.0%
12/18/10 Rasmussen 41.0% 55.0%
12/15/10 Fox News 31.0% 59.0%
12/12/10 Rasmussen 34.0% 60.0%
12/07/10 Bloomberg 40.0% 55.0%
12/06/10 Rasmussen 41.0% 56.0%
12/06/10 Kaiser on 41.0% 51.0%
11/28/10 Rasmussen 37.0% 58.0%
11/20/10 Rasmussen 39.0% 57.0%
11/14/10 Rasmussen 37.0% 58.0%
11/10/10 CBS 44.0% 45.0%
11/06/10 Rasmussen 40.0% 55.0%
10/31/10 Rasmussen 36.0% 58.0%
10/26/10 CBS/NYT 43.0% 47.0%
10/23/10 Rasmussen 42.0% 53.0%
10/17/10 Rasmussen 40.0% 55.0%
10/10/10 Bloomberg 42.0% 47.0%
10/03/10 Rasmussen 44.0% 50.0%
09/29/10 Fox News 42.0% 46.0%

[golfguru]

16. The support numbers are for repeal of HCR bill.

[jenmito]

13. Rasmussen Rasmussen Rasmussen Rasmussen...

funny how (R)asmussen has done so many polls on this subject. The CBS polls stuck in there did NOT have a majority supporting repeal BTW.

[ProSense]

15. The tracking is inaccurate.

They're not distinguishing those who want the law repealed in its entirety from those who oppose a part of the bill. For example, Kaiser shows that only 26 percent (PDF) want the entire law repealed. Another 25 percent want part of the law repealed.

This is similar to Kaiser's November poll, which shows that the only part those who support a partial repeal want repealed is the mandate:








Edited for clarity.

[golfguru]

17. I support repeal of HCR as it is written...

For profit private insurers (FPPI) get a gift of 30 million of additional
customers with mandates.

There is no restriction on premium hikes in the bill.
The FPPI's are free to increase your premiums as high as necessary until
their profit goals are met.

The HCR bill prohibits drug importation! WOW what a bonanza for big pharma!

No competition to FPPI from PUBLIC OPTION to keep rate hikes under control.

Competition to FPPI from across the state lines by other FPPI's is prohibited.
So each state has it's FPPI's operating as monopolies without outside competition.

If this bill was done right, it should have limited yearly premium hikes to some
relationship with the CPI.

[ProSense]

18. Of course you do.

It's not like a public option is going to be added, and it certainly will be added upon repeal.

"If this bill was done right, it should have limited yearly premium hikes to some
relationship with the CPI."

Well, at least now you know that it does include limits, albeit not the type you prefer.

[golfguru]

19. Prosense, I am just looking at my own premium hikes this year

and I am not happy.

[ProSense]

20. That's the basis for supporting repeal?

The rules for rates are just being implemented and the reviews are ongoing.

What do you anticipate will happen upon repeal?

[golfguru]

21. Upon repeal, I expect to see mandated by law

some actual reduction in rate of annual increases in a new bill.
The new bill should keep popular items such as no rejections and
no dropping anyone.

Anything else is not acceptable to people like me who are retired.

[geek tragedy]

22. Then you should write Speaker Boehner and demand

he draft a bill to your liking.

[golfguru]

25. I have written a dozen congress critters already.

[ProSense]

23. Hmmmm?

I expect to see mandated by law some actual reduction in rate of annual increases in a new bill.
The new bill should keep popular items such as no rejections and
no dropping anyone.

Anything else is not acceptable to people like me who are retired.

So you want the entire bill repealed to put back in place existing provisions and fix one part?

When do you anticipate this happening? Are you expecting House Republicans to sign on?

[Capn Sunshine]

24. How's the weather there in fluffy cloud pink ponyland?

Nary a snowdrift on the ground I bet. In what opposite reality will this mandate by law occur? Because I need to move there. IN the meantime, the fine start to comprehensive reform, which not coincidentally insures a lot of people who did not previously have that option, we should throw that out and start over because the temporary market solution provided TO GET INSURERS ON BOARD doesn't go far enough? :shrug:

[golfguru]

26. You will be shocked how much popular support there is for

health insurance premium increases to moderate.

The problem is the politicians are in the pockets of corporate campaign cash.
Our fearless leader, the president has received more campaign cash from big pharma
and health insurance corporations than almost any other recipient of these benign
largesses from corporate world. HUH! You think that cash was doled out because they
liked his face?

No wonder the HCR bill is all good for the corporations.

WE NEED PUBLIC FINANCING OF EVERY FRICKING ELECTION in this country.
Until that happens, we will be fleeced by the corporations on and on.

[ProSense]

27. "Our fearless leader, the president has received more campaign cash from big pharma"

That's nonsense.

Repealing health care and replacing it with the same provisions is ludicrous.

Why not simply write to fix the bill instead of repealing it?

The entire strategy sounds like the one laid out by Boehner in his crazy pledge.

"WE NEED PUBLIC FINANCING OF EVERY FRICKING ELECTION in this country.
Until that happens, we will be fleeced by the corporations on and on."

Based on that statement, when do you anticipate this new health care law to be passed?

If you're going to advocate scrapping the law, why would you not push for single payer? It has about as much chance of passing as a new bill.

[Capn Sunshine]

28. I have no argument with that.

But the on ground reality is we need to be HERE to get THERE.

[golfguru]

32. I completely understand the reality part

and that is why it is so frustrating. We are screwed.

[craigmatic]

29. Wow those were alot of faux news and rasmussen polls they cited.

[vaberella]

31. And that will be the way of the world for the next two years. n/t

[Balbus]

33. Good.