Is the left going to wake up and finally remember who is the real enemy?

[impik]

Or are they going to continue the war against the most progressive president in decades, while strengthening the most radical and crazy Republican party ever?

I sort of know the answer, but i hope to be surprised.

[Enrique]

1. the real enemy is whoever rolls back the New Deal

democratic, republican, DLCer, Third Way'er, or whatever.

[Pholus]

8. What he said!

[patrice]

15. + rape Medicare = Agreed!

[Tesha]

21. Precisely! (NT)

[Dokkie]

27. or cuts social security

while increasing military spending

[neverforget]

44. I expect a Republican to do that but not a Democrat.

[Raine]

45. EXACTLY ... I don't care what party they

claim as theirs I know who the enemy is. :mad:

[derby378]

49. Bingo!

It would behoove the party leadership to listen to grassroots Democrats instead of trying to tell them what to think.

[dflprincess]

54. You said it!

[Dawgs]

64. Party labels seem to be all that matters to some.

:hi:

[ladjf]

65. The "enemy" is anyone who gives to the rich and takes away from

everyone else.

[racaulk]

73. This!

Thank you! :hi:

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[DeSwiss]

3. What.A.Load.

[LibDemAlways]

4. The "real enemy" is whoever screws over the working class while handing

over the shop to corporations. Obama may be more progressive than the chimp, chimp senior, reagan, and perhaps about on par with Clinton - but it's only a question of degrees. He certainly has signaled his willingness to work with "the most radical and crazy Republican party ever." Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[bluethruandthru]

69. +1000000 n/t

[ZombieHorde]

5. I have my pitchfork and torch ready to go after country music stars, but my fellow liberals are too

blind, or deaf in this case, to understand who our real enemy is.

[Hello_Kitty]

6. This shit is getting old. Alerting. eom

[comtec]

37. Agreed

wait... we agree on something?!
Tis truly the end times....

But yeah this is getting fucking annoying these "shape up liberals" threads.
We vote do we not, for dems?
But we have every RIGHT to be pissed about whats going on.. after all that's what this site's purpose is!

[CakeGrrl]

56. Why? Since when does "the left" equate to "some posters on DU?"

Answer? It doesn't.

But that doesn't stop people from crying "punched hippie" about THEMSELVES when they feel they're being insulted.

And it didn't stop people from (incorrectly) proclaiming themselves to be proud members of the "Professional Left" in 'defiance' of Gibbs.

[Warren Stupidity]

59. any reference to cheerleading gets locked for just that reason.

if we are going to have harsh rules they ought to be fairly applied.

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[Smashcut]

9. Get a life

[BlueMTexpat]

10. Anyone who uses "the left" in a question is automatically suspect in my eyes. nt

[harun]

11. Why does it seem freeper ideology is creeping in to DU?

If your ideology sucks, it needs an enemy to work. As the American "left", we don't need an enemy because we are right.

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[muffin1]

29. Apparently you and the OP care. n/t

[frylock]

33. we have so much power, as a comparatively small group..

as to invoke the spectre of a president palin by your ilk. and you know where you can jam your teabagger comparison, right?

[Union Scribe]

41. How many times have you now called liberals teabaggers?

I've personally alerted on about ten such instances.

[Raine]

47. Good to know that we are such a small group

our grunt work of GOTV and donations and possibly votes won't be missed. Oh well I'm sure Obama can pay people to GOTV with all the money he's taken from big corporations. Just don't come "whining" when if it's not enough.

[Still a Democrat]

13. Liberals and Democrats overwhelmingly support President Obama

I wouldn't be too concerned with malcontents.

[patrice]

14. Ego-Inflation knows no boundaries, respects no labels, and in politics in general it is an

occupational hazard, perhaps proportional to one's actual lack of power.

[DrDan]

16. I guess "progressive" is in the eyes of the beholder

[Vinca]

17. Since when has "the left" become the bad guys?

The Democratic Party moving to the center (which is increasingly tending right) is what strengthens the Republican Party. Stand for principles or don't bother.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. flame bait

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. You know what the answer will be: Obama is the enemy because he's going to cut

social security!

No evidence. No facts. Not even a profession from the mouths of his advisors and staff. Nothing.

Just pure conjecture. Rumor. Innuendo. Hyperbole.

Just understand that not all liberals object. A large percentage of us are still on the president's side. We may not be happy about some of his decisions. We may not be happy that he has failed to get a coherent message out about his agenda and what the Republicans are attempting to do. We may not be happy about how the Democrats squandered an opportunity to run on a winning issue: the expiring Bush tax cuts. But, most of us are still in his corner and want him to succeed.

Just remember that. We don't ALL think, act, and walk alike!

[Hello_Kitty]

24. Robert Kuttner, editor of American Prospect, says he's considering SS cuts.

Now, if that's bullshit as you claim then you ought to demand a retraction from Mr. Kuttner.

Then again, if the President does propose SS cuts I predict the usual crowd here will give themselves whiplash doing an about-face to defend them.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. It's bullshit! All of it until I see a plan. Robert Kuttner's sources are not clear on this.

Again, it's conjecture. Pure speculation.

Until I see the *actual* plan, I'm not buying into the doom and gloom on DU and elsewhere on the bloggosphere.

You can attack me all you want. Say what you want to say. You will not change my mind.

I want to see the plan, first, then we can talk.

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

[Hello_Kitty]

26. Don't yell at me, demand a retraction from Kuttner.

The guy's a serious journalist with his credibility on the line.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. I'm not yelling at you! You used hostile language

towards me. I'm simply making it plain that I will not read any articles or participate in speculation. Until it comes from the horses mouth or through a specific plan, I'm not going to entertain these kinds of posts. For me, that's the bottom line. Not to offend, but that's where I'm coming from.

[Hello_Kitty]

31. I wasn't being hostile. I was making a prediction.

If the President signals support for cutting SS, DU will be full of people defending it. It would just follow past precedent.

[LAGC]

35. I think you're right, Kitty.

There is a certain cult of personality going on here, policy be damned.

[Union Scribe]

43. And if it does happen...then what?

What excuse are you going to use to justify it?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

52. I'm a fair person who is not afraid to admit when she's wrong.

If it happens, I won't support it.

I don't know how much more plain I can be about this issue. I'm not going to go down the road of panic unless I see something in writing or hear it from the administration's/Democrats' own mouths.

[PurityOfEssence]

68. There's a lot to be said for making a huge stink at the first mention of such a thing

The Simpson-Bowles connivers sent up quite a few trial balloons, and they're listening very carefully to what happens. A little pre-emptive shrieking is a healthy thing.

We've been appealed to SO MANY TIMES with the misty-eyed dreaminess of how Obama's going to make it all right for us, so that appeal is worn thin.

If this offends anyone, then let them be offended; our future rides on some rather important decisions that are coming down the pike sooner than we may think, and the idea that it's not cricket to spoil one's hero-worship by offering a few "oh, by the ways" on our President's performance is to effectively hold the rest of us ransom for one's personal snuggly-wuggly comfort.

Waiting until "the plan" is offered is waiting until it's too late.

We bitch about not holding the reactionaries' feet to the fire, but we should also hold our leader's feet accordingly. I want to hear a reporter specifically ask: do you have any intention to reduce or alter the current Social Security form, and do you have any intention to eliminate or change the mortgage deduction?

Waiting for "the plan" is crazy. Too bad if it's combative or impolite to presume the worst. Bummer. Obama reminds me so much of Bill Clinton that it makes me squirm. Look at what he did to welfare and financial regulations. Look at NAFTA. Look at Faith Based initiatives; they started under Clinton.

Sure, wait until the plan's already been agreed upon behind closed doors, because you won't see "the plan" until it's already been bartered pretty much into existence. Then what?

[Catherina]

20. Another vapid and insulting thread. Unrec. n/t

[Hydra]

22. Happy to Unrec

You can know a person by their enemies.

The enemies of the Left are greed, ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, elitism, lies and fear.

You want us to side with that?

[emilyg]

28. I'll join u - unrec.

[stray cat]

23. Unlikely.......

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[ClassWarrior]

34. Is the most progressive president in a decade going to keep strengthening the most radical and...

...crazy Republican party ever?

Obama's Fear of the Reagan Narrative
By Robert Parry
December 28, 2010

At a closed-door White House meeting this month, President Barack Obama justified his repeated concessions to the Right as necessitated by its success over three decades in selling Ronald Reagan’s anti-government message to broad sectors of the American public.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/122810.html

NGU.

[Skittles]

36. we KNOW who the enemy is

which is why we DETEST it when we see our so-called leaders and representatives AIDING AND ABETTING THE ENEMY. It's not US who needs to be reminded who the enemy is - it's the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION

[LWolf]

71. Thank you. nt

[stranger81]

38. Those of us on the other side could also ask whether the Administration is going to continue to

battle the base of its own party rather than calling Republicans on their bullshit.

Neither one of us is going to convince the other with loaded questions like this.

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[bvar22]

40. "Most progressive president in decades"....

...says more about the horror and destruction over the last 3 decades than it says about Obama.
Just because he is slightly to the Left of Reagan on some social issues is nothing to crow about.

[Capn Sunshine]

42. short answer : NO

we forget how we got here. The left was around but they are easily distracted by shiny objects and great sounding sound bites.

[Autumn]

46. We know well who the enemy is, I wish Obama would

wake up and realize the left isn't the real enemy, it's the people he seems to be hell bent on getting along with. That would be the crazy republican party.

[lonestarnot]

51. figure it out.

finished it for you. :evilgrin:

[CakeGrrl]

55. Gee, maybe that's because he has to get VOTES out of them in Congress?

Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz and posters on liberal blogs don't cast votes in Congress.

Republicans in Congress do.

And there are MORE of them now.

[Autumn]

66. He has done so well so far

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TheKentuckian]

48. The enemy isn't limited to the corporate stooges with the (R) next to their names.

[johnaries]

50. Can we talk about "labels" for just a minute?

I consider myself "leftist", "liberal", and "progressive". Yet, despite his few failures I recognize that this President (although certainly not "perfect") really IS the most Progressive AND the most effective President in decades.

In fact, MOST self-identifying "Liberals", "Progressives", etc. recognize the same if polls can be believed. It would seem that there is a small subset of the Left who are the "Contrarians" (term coined by Seth McFarlane in a "Family Guy" episode) who will be unhappy no matter who is in office.

Therefore, I think that when you speak of "The Left" I would hope that you would distiguish between the actual Left and the extremist Contrarian subset.

Because I, like many others, am a Leftist and I support this President. Please don't allow an extremist element to hijack the terms.

[rug]

53. Hi, impik.

[Ramulux]

57. Blah Blah blah

More of this idea that if you criticize the president that somehow means you support republicans. Its intellectually dishonest and you know it.

[The Second Stone]

58. When is Obama going to wake up and discover who is the enemy?

The left is not the enemy of Obama, we are the people who got him elected. Yet he treats us with great disrespect and he treats his real enemies and our real enemies much better than he treats us. They will not reduce their opposition to his policies, they will not befriend him, they will try to destroy him. He has pushed away his defenders and continues to do so. I hope and pray that enough of us will still fight for him in 2012 because his reelection is crucial. So is retaking the House.

[quaker bill]

60. Yes, it will

not because it desires to, but because they on the other side will make this inevitable.

[TBF]

61. What left? You purged us in the 50's. You may mean liberals,

in which case yes they will vote for Obama. They do fall in line. Leftists? Not so much.

[irislake]

62. My God!

The most progressive president in decades? If that's true God help you. You have been duped. But good. Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, Chris Hedges Glenn Greenwald and many others would not agree.

Very sad to watch duped Americans fight among themselves about left-right trivia while the country goes to hell. But, on the other hand, Americans are better off than all the innocent people their government is murdering elsewhere. Next on the agenda is Iran. The most progressive president is telling as many lies about Iran as the Bush government told about Iraq. Not very original lies, just the same old same old lying crap. How many times will you fall for it? Not that it matters because although over 60% of Americans are opposed, your "progressive president" will go right on in and destroy another beautiful country. Too bad the rest of the world has to suffer from your government's criminal wars.

[That Guy 888]

63. Considering how conservative and/or insane the Presidents of the last few decades have been...

nixon would have been more progressive than bush*. Part of the right-wing media push is too accomplish this, pushing thought to the right.

[tledford]

67. Is the left going to say "Enough is enough!" and set fire to straw men? eom

[boston bean]

70. Are you a member of the left? If not, what should we call you? nt

[mmonk]

72. When the administration figures it out.

[truebrit71]

74. Depends on whether the "centre" stop giving away the fucking farm everytime the gop says BOO!!!....

..until then, the answer is that we already KNOW who the REAL enemy is, and that is way we have been after this "progressive" president for all of his buckling under to the most radical and crazy rethuglican party ever..