The Shocking Truth that Obama Could Now Really Be a 1-Term President

[Bullet1987]

I don't care that it's only been one year, it's been one very perplexing and depressing year. I don't want to see any list of things Obama has "done right." Because on three major policy decisions (Afghanistan, Big Banks, HCR)...Obama has been on the wrong side of them all. HCR is the latest pro-coporate move by Obama and the Democrats in the Senate. What's so amazing about this is I find it very hard to believe many Dems will be as passionate for his re-election as they were for his Presidency. We're looking at a 51%-49% race in 2012 people because many will sit it out and I don't blame them. We were lied to about Change. Hope didn't give America sh*t in return. What is Obama going to campaign on exactly? If this first year is any sign, we're in for a VERY disappointing Presidency. So disappointing that he may NOT get re-elected which is a very real possibility now that the Public Option has been dropped. HCR was the biggest mandate he had, and he and his White House have failed miserably in fighting for it. Dark times in America.

[jefferson_dem]

1. You've been talking that shit for months.

:boring:

[Bullet1987]

7. Yea...and my shit just came closer to reality than anything

you've ever said.

[freddie mertz]

2. I hope it is not that bad, but fear that it might be. nt.

[hlthe2b]

9. Still early, but I must admit concern...

As a whole, the "sheeple" are an emotional lot and do not deal well with complexities. (How else to explain GWB*I and II and Reagan's "success")

We have our work cut out for us to maintain support(particularly in the face of our own disappointments). This will be challenging.

[jtrockville]

37. I think young people had a huge role in electing him.

I doubt he'll be able to count on them next time. Most of the young people I've spoken to feel cheated.

[Sebastian Doyle]

68. They're going to feel even more cheated when they get drafted

Afghanistan and/or Iran. Believe me, it's coming.

[babylonsister]

3. Wishing for his political demise? Seems to me you're a bit premature.

:boring:

[goldcanyonaz]

4. What happened to all Obamas support on this forum?

I feel like I've returned to some parallel universe after being gone for over a year.

I didn't expect this at all.

[jefferson_dem]

5. "teh stoopid" has taken over.

Hopefully, sanity will return soon. :crazy:

Welcome back.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Thanks, I strongly support our president.

He's grown on me, sorta like mold on cheese.

haha!

I like him.

[Bullet1987]

10. Well unlike you

I expect more from a leader. Not compromise after compromisr after compromise. I'm almost not a blind supporter and never will be. That's more that can be said about 50% of the people in DU:P.

[goldcanyonaz]

18. I understand how you feel, I really thought HCR would have been passed within a few months

of Obama becoming president, when everyone seemed so willing to work together.

I'm disappointed in a lot too, but more disappointed with those in the congress and senate that refuse to do what the people elected them to do.

[NorthCarolina]

19. I don't believe he is "compromising" as much as he is toeing the DLC line (nt)

[Kahuna]

39. Except for buscho who ran the country like a dictatorship, ALL

presidents compromise. No one man can control 435 representatives and 100 senators no matter what you may think.

[JTFrog]

12. Really?

I remember your Capital Hill Forum days like they were just yesterday.

What brings about such a change of heart from your old "Will Barack Throw Mama from The Train?" days?

:eyes:

[goldcanyonaz]

13. Interesting, because I don't remember you at all.

Anyhoo, I voted for him this past election and will vote again for him in 2012.

I'm not a fly by night supporter like many have proved to be around here.

Seems like the majority of all the hope and change cheerleaders are the ones who have had a change of heart, unlike those of us who were skeptical but now strongly support our president.

Oh, the irony.

[JTFrog]

15. Hope and change cheerleaders? Things have changed since the primaries....

Might want to read Skinner's post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5524913



But insults, name-calling, or other expressions of contempt toward Barack Obama or his supporters are not welcome.

[goldcanyonaz]

24. I have no idea why you directed this at me.

You brought up the past so I did as well.

I strongly support our president and I'm living in the present and looking forward to our future.

If all I did was dwell in the past I would never leave my house.

I don't wish to argue with you.

[JTFrog]

25. Because you aren't fooling anyone with your underhanded comments.

Well not me anyway.

[Bullet1987]

14. Huh?

You must have me confused with someone else.

[JTFrog]

16. Well someone is certainly confused.

Don't think it's me tho.... :shrug:

[Bullet1987]

21. I think it's you

I've only ever posted on this forum...political videos and General Discussion. So you MUST have me confused with someone else.

[JTFrog]

22. Dude....try following the posting structure and try again.... n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

27. The "Really?" response was directed at me, not you.

[KansasVoter]

33. I still think he was the best choice. And I'll vote for him in 2012. But still disappointed.

[dionysus]

45. i'll say 90% of those bitching are the ones that have always been bitching...

[azmouse]

49. We are here but

are being drowned out by Republican-lite posts that the mods refuse to lock. Disgusting.

[grahamhgreen]

57. I support him - but not HCR that consists of "buy crapsurance or pay a fine", that's NOT reform,

it's a scam.

I still support him though - and hope he can change.

[whistler162]

66. It ended at 12:01 AM November 5th 2008!

[DCBob]

8. I suspect he may not want to run again in 2012 and I would not blame him..

This county does not deserve a man like Barack Obama. After what we have done to this man we deserve President Palin.

[Peacetrain]

11. Not as long as I am around...or Northwest Iowa Democrats

and you can take that to the bank...

[Bullet1987]

20. I wanted Obama to succeed and still do

But the realist side of me tells me that HOPING he'll govern better over the rest of his 1st term is simply setting myself up for disappointment. Tell me this, who benefits THE MOST from the watered-down corporate bill we're getting in the Senate? If you say the American people (which is what is SHOULD be), you're either in complete denial or you're simply lying. This bill does very little to bring about CHANGE or REFORM. Those are the FACTS!! So the rest of you can continue your Obama parade and get your hopes up some more. But I'm not doing it.

[safeinOhio]

17. Who the hell is going to beat him?

[Bullet1987]

23. Another corporatist...that's who

A corporatist is still a corporatist no matter if they have a R or D next to their name.

[jefferson_dem]

32. So you really see no difference between Obama and the garden variety Repug?

Golly.

[Bullet1987]

41. If by garden-variety you mean Teabaggers..of course he's not them

But I see little difference between corporate Dems and corporate Rethugs. Their messages may be different, styles may be different...but there is little difference in policy (all of that other stuff in media BS). That's because they're all taking orders from the same greedy banksters and lobbyists. Same shit, different can...but shit all the same.

[stray cat]

26. Why expect otherwise? The dems have a mess to clean up - that makes the GOP look better

[tekisui]

28. The Dems could look great if they cleaned it up.

If they gave the American people a reason to believe in them. Excuses don't go very far.

[KansasVoter]

29. I'll vote for him. I can guarantee I won't work my ass off like I did the last election.

[saltpoint]

30. President Obama, if he wishes re-election, is in a strong position

to be renominated and he is very competitive against the GOP field.

The Republicans have no leader and are all at Joe Lieberman's party tonguing cocktails with lobbyists as we speak, but despite expected gains in seats in both chambers in 2010 I don't believe they'll recapture the majority in either the House or the Senate and given the fools they're running for the White House, they can write 2012 off as well.

The snarling and grumbling about Obama is coming from progressives. County chairpersons coast to coast will hew close to the property line because candidates up and down their local ballots depend on how well Main Street accepts the president's job performance and how strong (or weak) the Pukes' candidates are.

If Obama himself decided on only one term, I'd be surprised and disappointed. If he plans for two terms, I think he will be extraordinarily difficult to beat.

[liberal N proud]

31. Keep it up and Sarah Palin will be your president in 3 years.

[girl gone mad]

36. sad to say, but if we turned off the news..

we probably would never know the difference.

[babylonsister]

43. You're kidding, right? What is her health care plan?

How would she have rescued America's image around the world? Do tell.

[dionysus]

47. psst, most of the people doing this melodrama have been doing it since he got elected. some even

before that...

[WeDidIt]

65. After this debacle, she probably will be n/t

[flyarm]

34. nahhh..now he has the big boys money!! he doesn't need the little folks!!

its all a dog and pony show..Now Obama and the Dems have the big bucks ..they don't need you!!

They have the Wallstreet fuckers, the Bank folks, and now Big Pharma and the Insurance boys..you are no longer needed!!

Remember Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate
By: fflambeau Monday December 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Those who are up in arms over Sen. Joe Lieberman’s "veto" of the extension of Medicare should remember this. When Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Washington, D.C. in 2005, he selected as his mentor none other than: Joe Lieberman.

Here’s David Sirota writing about this, after discussing Obama’s stab in the back of the progressive Lamont in Connecticut and his stab in the back of the progressive Christine Cegelis (Obama backed Duckworth) way back in 2006:

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18929

[NYC_SKP]

35. DaRK SiDeD!!!111!!

[TheBigotBasher]

64. LOL

Who let the PUMAs back in?

[enid602]

38. report card

Afghanistan: this is a joint effort among many nations; we don´t bear the total cost of this war. Maybe he sees something we don´t; time will tell.
Banks: yes, the bankers showed how greedy they are, but the banks are still open (indeed, healthy), and the ultimate cost to the taxpayer was a whopping $0.
HCR: sticking 100% to her guns did not help Hillary (my hero, bless her soul) in the early ´90´s. True, Obama is having to kiss a few toads on this one, but it´s the best way to get SOMETHING passed. Personally, I will delay judgment until it is clear just how many of the currently uninsurable are ultimately insured, and how much it will cost them.

[BennyD]

40. A recent poll on the Daily Kos showed 58% believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

A recent CNN poll showed most people are not happy with the President. Another poll showed almost 60% disapproved of the job President Obama is doing. It's not looking good for 2010 and maybe 2010.

[swilton]

42. I hope that there is a challenge to Obama in the primaries

Barring that I'll be looking to the Independents to support my views.

[dionysus]

46. lol, that'll be pretty funny. who would you pick?

[dionysus]

44. or, you could blame the 6 "dem" senators responsible. nah. melodrama is much more satisfying...

:shrug:

[WeDidIt]

48. Right now, as of today, I give it a 60-40 split that he's a single term president

Sad, but true.

[bdamomma]

50. what gets me is how people will "sit out the election" and

what give repigs another chance at really, finishing destroying the country??? makes no sense to me.

[Thrill]

51. Who cares? He made the decisions. He'll have to live with it

I'm just surprised, he seems to not want to fight for anything. Thats a shame

[jenmito]

52. By 2012, he will have ended DADT, DOMA, the war in Iraq, reduced troop levels in Afghanistan,

closed Gitmo, just to name a few things that will make him a two-term president.

[babylonsister]

53. OUCH! The truth! Reality! No one wants to read that around here!

:spank:

[jenmito]

55. I know...

but sometimes the truth hurts. :)

[Bullet1987]

56. How so?

Do you forget about the thousands of private contractors like Blackwater that are STILL in Iraq (and going to Afghanistan) that no one is talking about? And you can buy that "we'll be out in 2011" BS if you want. You're buying the HCR bs so at least you're consistent.

[jenmito]

59. By your response, you're obviously set on voting against him in '12. n/t

[Bullet1987]

67. IDK how I'm going to vote in 2012

[AndrewP]

62. You can't really logically discuss anything with the cheer squad

[ZombieHorde]

69. Those four things would help him considerably, at least in my view. nt

[Phx_Dem]

54. F.U.

[treestar]

58. The average American voter doesn't give a hoot about the public option now

And certainly won't remember in in 2012. Or even 2010 for that matter.

[bvar22]

60. However, the average voter ...

..WILL know that Health Insurance is more expensive, AND they have been forced to BUY it.

They WILL blame The Democrats.
Rightly so.

[treestar]

61. It won't be more expensive

Even if it is, they won't notice, as long as they have a job and the economy is going well.

[martymar64]

63. "as long as they have a job and the economy is going well"

Unless something drastic happens to turn the economy around to a full recovery and boom, then your quote will not come true, not even close.

Their are no real signs that the economy is recovering. It may be peaches and cream for the investor class, but for the working class, things are just getting worse and worse.

Jobs are continuing to be lost and offshored and new jobs are not being created to replace them in any meaningful way. Insurance will now become mandatory and still remain a monopoly, locking people into toothless and expensive insurance plans that will do nothing for their health, but will negatively affect their wallet in a huge way. Obama has talked about creating jobs but little has come of it.

To turn the economy around, we need works projects on the scale of the WPA and CCC. In this political climate, the Conservadems would never allow anything to pass that actually helps people.

So if you're waiting for the economy to magically improve overnight, allowing people to forget about Obama's capitulation to Lieberman (of all people) on HCR, then you're going to be waiting a long long time.