Michele Bachmann eyeing presidential run in 2012

[golfguru]

ABC News says U.S. Rep. Michelle Bachmann is considering running for president and will confer this month with GOP officials in Iowa about her prospects in that early caucus state.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/112933079.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs

Wonder who will be her VP candidate? Sarah Palin???
Now that is some combination of hare-brained duo.

[NewJeffCT]

1. Palin-Bachmann 2012

scary to think that as incompetent as the two of them are, even if the economy was going gangbusters, they'd still get 40% of the vote.

[prolesunited]

14. That's the ticket!

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[flakey_foont]

2. oh, joy!

[mtnsnake]

3. I have no doubts that the GOP would love to run a woman against Obama

considering that President Obama's ratings have dropped significantly with women voters.

They know Palin can't beat him, so it wouldn't suprise me if they're gonna look for a woman who they feel can win as long as she's just as batshit crazy as John Boehner and the rest of their team.

[ProSense]

6. "considering that President Obama's ratings have dropped significantly with women voters. " Link?

Poll: Female Obama 'drop-off' voters likely to return in 2012

From NBC's Ali Weinberg

A new poll from political action group EMILY’s List found that women who voted for Barack Obama in 2008, but not for their 2010 Democratic congressional candidate are likely to vote for Obama in 2012.

Since the 1980’s, it’s been “an iron law that Democrats only win when they win with women,” said Geoff Garin, the president of Democratic polling firm Hart Research Associates which conducted the poll. He added that while that did not happen in 2010, evidence suggested that women who either defected to a Republican candidate or didn’t vote at all would make their way back to the Democratic fold by 2012.

The group canvassed 608 women who voted for Obama for president, but either voted Republican, or did not vote at all, in the 2010 midterm elections. About six in ten of the women chose not to vote in the midterms, and three in ten voted for the Republican congressional candidate.

Of those groups, however, a majority – 62% - said they would prefer to re-elect President Obama than vote for a Republican candidate (23%). Fifteen percent said they were not sure yet who to support. Obama’s approval ratings were even higher, averaging at 71% among women who voted Republican or did not vote at all.

The economy was the chief motivating factor for most of the 2008 “drop-offs.” Among women who voted Republican, 77% said they were compelled by the state of the economy to vote. Women who did not go to the polls actually said they support Obama and the Democratic Congress on a whole (77% and 52%, respectively), but a majority also said their inactivity was driven by the economic doldrums.

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[mtnsnake]

10. According to Gallup at the end of November, he lost 7% of his women voters from 2008

"In 2008, Obama won 56 percent of female voters. Today, he's at 49 percent."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6057514/president_obamas_poll_numbers_bleak.html?cat=9

[ProSense]

12. First of all that's RW spin (quoting Byron York). Second that's no more significant

when compared to other demographics. From the article you linked to:

"Start with voters who call themselves independents. Obama won 52 percent of them in 2008; now, according to Gallup, he is at 42 percent. Obama's party as a whole fared even worse among independents in the midterms, losing them to Republicans by 19 points. If Obama does anywhere near that badly in 2012, he'll lose.

"Next, women. In 2008, Obama won 56 percent of female voters. Today, he's at 49 percent. If that number doesn't improve, he'll be in deep trouble. (Obama is also down with men, from 49 percent in 2008 to 44 percent now.)

"Even younger voters, a key part of Obama's coalition, are peeling away. In '08, Obama won 66 percent of voters 18-29 years of age. Now, he's at 58 percent. That might seem pretty good, but not when you consider his deterioration among other age groups. Obama has dropped 5 percentage points among voters in and around middle age, and 8 percent with voters above 65. If those trends continue, he'll lose.

"Then there are white voters. In '08, Obama won 43 percent of whites. Now, he's at 37 percent -- a dangerously low number for his re-election hopes. He won 67 percent of Hispanic voters in 2008; now, he's at 58 percent. Even support among black voters, a bedrock for Obama, has ticked downward; after winning 95 percent of blacks in '08, he's now at 89 percent.

[mtnsnake]

15. The #s are from Gallup, not Bryan York. So you only like Gallup when the #s are more fashionable?

[ProSense]

16. I know the numbers are from Gallup, but the

spin is RW: Obama is in "deep trouble." Also, he lost 7 percent among women, but he lost 10 percent among independents, 8 percent among young voters and 9 percent among Hispanics according to that poll.

"Start with voters who call themselves independents. Obama won 52 percent of them in 2008; now, according to Gallup, he is at 42 percent. Obama's party as a whole fared even worse among independents in the midterms, losing them to Republicans by 19 points. If Obama does anywhere near that badly in 2012, he'll lose.

"Next, women. In 2008, Obama won 56 percent of female voters. Today, he's at 49 percent. If that number doesn't improve, he'll be in deep trouble. (Obama is also down with men, from 49 percent in 2008 to 44 percent now.)

"Even younger voters, a key part of Obama's coalition, are peeling away. In '08, Obama won 66 percent of voters 18-29 years of age. Now, he's at 58 percent. That might seem pretty good, but not when you consider his deterioration among other age groups. Obama has dropped 5 percentage points among voters in and around middle age, and 8 percent with voters above 65. If those trends continue, he'll lose.

"Then there are white voters. In '08, Obama won 43 percent of whites. Now, he's at 37 percent -- a dangerously low number for his re-election hopes. He won 67 percent of Hispanic voters in 2008; now, he's at 58 percent. Even support among black voters, a bedrock for Obama, has ticked downward; after winning 95 percent of blacks in '08, he's now at 89 percent.

This is the RW comparing election numbers to governing numbers, apples and oranges.

[mtnsnake]

18. The numbers were from Gallup with no ifs, ands, or buts.

but the spin is RW: Obama is in "deep trouble."

Numbers are numbers, and they don't change no matter who spins what. Besides, the kind of rhetoric you're talking about isn't limited to the Right Wing, but if you'd like to think so, fine.

Regardless, I'm not the one who said Obama is in deep trouble. I quoted the only line in that article that showed Gallup's numbers for women voters dropping from 56% in 2008 to 49% as of late November.

[ProSense]

19. "Numbers are numbers, and they don't change no matter who spins what. "

Reagan's approval was 37 percent at this point in his Presidency.

Think Byron York thought Reagan was in deep trouble?

"Regardless, I'm not the one who said Obama is in deep trouble. "

You said:

"I have no doubts that the GOP would love to run a woman against Obama considering that President Obama's ratings have dropped significantly with women voters."

By that logic, the GOP would be better off finding a Hispanic to run because he lost 9 percent among Hispanics according to that poll.

[mtnsnake]

22. Obama still has the support of the overwhelming majority of Hispanics

so why would I think "the GOP would be better off finding a Hispanic to run?" Even if they do, it doesn't change the numbers I quoted about how his support of women voters has dropped.

[ProSense]

25. "it doesn't change the numbers I quoted about how his support of women voters has dropped."

Significantly? The article is from November, here is a more current reading of his standing among women.

[mtnsnake]

27. That's hysterical

that you would post a link to a link you already posted in the same sub-thread, especially when the one you're addressing isn't Gallup or even a well known polling group. Even if you take that one into account, it only says the drop-off voters are "likely" to return. That in way, shape, or form changes the numbers Gallup has that Obama's support among women voters who voted in 2008 have dropped from 59% to 49%. You can drop as many of those blue linky things as you want and nothing is going to change the numbers.

[ProSense]

28. Hmmm?

"You can drop as many of those blue linky things as you want and nothing is going to change the numbers."

Who's trying to change the numbers? I'm disputing your assertion that the drop among women was significant, primarily because it dropped more among other demographic groups.

[mtnsnake]

29. Hey if you don't think the drop in women's support is significant, then that's your prerogative

BTW, I never said the drop in other demographic groups wasn't significant. The thread was about a women possibly running for the GOP presidency, not someone from a different demographic group. Remember?

[ProSense]

34. "I never said the drop in other demographic groups wasn't significant." Like I said

it's apples to oranges. If they were all significant, then York would be correct: Obama would be in "deep trouble."

Obviously, that's not the case:

On Tuesday, polling numbers were released confirming that suspicion. According to a CNN/Opinion Research survey, a full 78 percent of Democrats want Obama to win the nomination for a second term in office -- up five percent from late October. At roughly the same point in his presidency, only 57 percent of Democrats wanted Clinton to be re-nominated.

[ProSense]

32. Another thing: "Obama's support among women voters who voted in 2008 have dropped from 59% to 49%"

Actually, the it's 56 to 49: "In 2008, Obama won 56 percent of female voters. Today, he's at 49 percent."

[mtnsnake]

37. Correct. It dropped from 56% to 49%

as I first stated. When I repeated it, I made the typo.

[golfguru]

23. Reagan would have lost badly in 1984 except for

the economy which came back kind of strong from the disastrous 1982
economy which still had high interest rates and inflation still going strong.
By 1984, both had subsided thanks to Volcker. Reagan should have kissed
Volcker for his win in 1984.

Carter lost in 1980 exactly for same reasons...high inflation and high
interest rates. The high interest rates actually helped me individually
because I was able to buy some utility stocks paying 12 to 14% dividends.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Just imagine the Republican debates.

:D

[golfguru]

24. I would'nt miss those even for golf n/t

[emulatorloo]

5. Well that would be entertaining. It is almost enough to make me register as a Republican

so I can caucus for her here in Iowa.

[ProSense]

7. The GOP-teabagger field will be

full of clowns by mid next year.

She should run because she'll be more useful to Democrats when she's on the road.

[niceypoo]

8. Move over McCain/Palin mob

Here comes the REAL crazy train.

[elleng]

9. Really hate the 'news' idiot women making re: Pres runs.

SO MANY GREAT WOMEN AVAILABLE! (NOT referring to 2012.)

[GSLevel9]

11. lmfao...

yeah that's a winner. How about Bachmann/Palin?

[thelordofhell]

13. Bachmann/Palin 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9GuwuOVZc&nofeather=True

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Geoff R. Casavant]

20. I expect she will wash out of the primaries just as soon . . .

. . . as they re-post the pic of her playing tonsil-hockey with GWB at the State of the Union.

[awoke_in_2003]

21. I would laugh...

but this country elected Reagan and Bush- it is capable of massive amounts of stupidity.

[golfguru]

26. Reagan/Bush were heads and shoulders below Bachmann/Palin

when it comes to uttering extreme viewpoints.

[Arkana]

36. Michelle Bachmann isn't a kindly old man who can cover up corruption

with a nice smile and a quick joke.

She's a fucking insane bitch with crazy eyes and you can bet that if she runs she'll quickly get the nickname "Crazy Eyes".

[Ter]

40. You are 100% correct

But for some reason, I still find her absolutely stunning for a woman in her early 50's. I don't want to think that, but unfortunately can't help it.

[Arkana]

41. Yikes.

Really?

The only way I would have sex with Michele Bachmann would be if I didn't want my penis anymore.

[Ter]

42. Well, I'm not saying I want to have sex with her

But for her age, she's simply stunning, and one of the best looking women have ever seen in their early 50's. I can only imagine what she looked like 25 years ago. Wow!

[golfguru]

45. I have the same thoughts watching her

Bachmann is in great shape for being in 50"s. As you say, very very few
women look that good in 50's.....except Christy Brinkley and Jane Fonda.

[Greybnk48]

30. That's the funniest thing I've heard since

McCain picked Palin for V.P.

[mstinamotorcity]

31. Look that broad

has the big head. She believes she is more than what she really is. A foster care Queen who can bilk the system and her base at the same time.

[WI_DEM]

33. I don't like it--I don't want Palin and Bauchman to divide the extreme nut vote

[Arkana]

35. Oh I can't wait.

Her special brand of hate and fiery crap will play REAL well in states not named Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, or Tennessee.

[cleveramerican]

38. Just when you think all the clowns are out of the little red car...

another pops out!

[Bravo Zulu]

39. That's crazy!

[Phx_Dem]

43. This proves it beyond a doubt . . . God is a Democrat.

:P

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. It will be a good laugh! The Loony right strikes again!

[madamesilverspurs]

46. I dunno, she might change her mind

once she finds out that the Intelligence Committee isn't where you go to shop for that particular commodity. . .


=

[craigmatic]

47. I hope her, Palin, Mittens, and Chuck norris all run. It'll be a cavalcade of stupidity.nt