Even if Loughner has Palin's hit list tattooed on his scrotum,

[ZombieHorde]

I don't think Palin will suffer much from these murders.

Consider Michael Vick. Americans love pets, but people are arguing Vick still deserves to have pets. He still has lots of fans, and people pay money to see him.

Consider the Catholic Church. Americans love children, but many people are still giving the RCC lots of money.

Americans like pets and children more than congresswomen they never heard of.

What do you think? Do you think the American people are really going to care in a few months?

[The Wielding Truth]

1. I thought that Vic got 18 months in jail. If Sarah could be admonished in some court I

would be something.

[Bad Thoughts]

2. Vick's field wasn't animals

It is football, and there isn't any evidence that how he treated animals will affect how he plays football.

Palin's remarks and graphics were promulgated as part of a political campaign. It says a lot about how she conducts politics. She can't separate it from how she would lead.

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[rfranklin]

6. You're in favor of pederast priests?

The bishops and probably a few popes are responsible for thousands of children being molested and covering it up.

[golfguru]

8. What percentage of catholic priests were found to be child molesters?

You want to condemn the entire Roman Catholic Church for that?
I am not even a catholic but have met some really fine priests.
My high school was run by Nuns and Fathers (as we called them) and
I have the highest respect for the education they imparted to us.

[rfranklin]

11. I condemn the management of the Catholic Church for covering up...

which they hundreds of times even as the same priests committed the same crimes. They were complicit in the crimes because they covered them up.

And I think that was the point of the original comment.

[golfguru]

13. That is correct, the buck always stops at the top n/t

[pnwmom]

19. The person who wrote the OP referred to the "Catholic Church,"

as s/he often does. The vast majority of members of the Catholic Church are its laity.

[ZombieHorde]

15. I don't think Priests molest children more than other men, but I do think the RCC has covered up

many many molestations, many of these cover ups were done by those in the hierarchy. You may be interested in what you find if you read about what they have been up to.

[pnwmom]

21. Condemn the guilty bishops, then, if you will,

but when you refer to the "Catholic Church" you are referring to a body of which the vast majority is laity.

And most of the donations are spent in people's own parishes and used to fund the ongoing programs there -- only the "Peter's Pence" collection once a year goes to the Vatican, and no one has to put a penny in it.

[ZombieHorde]

28. I was raised Catholic. I know there are many Catholics who are smarter and more ethical than me.

I am not trying to claim superiority.

But the RCC's hierarchy seems extremely corrupt and they don't seem to be on the side of molested children.

I don't think we should be legitimizing them.

[pnwmom]

31. I'm not trying to legitimize the hierarchy. I'm distinguishing between

the Catholic Church, which includes hundreds of millions of people, the vast majority of whom are lay people, and the hierarchy.

Some in the hierarchy may want to pretend that THEY are "The Church," but they are not.

Catholic theology has always maintained that the Holy Spirit speaks through the whole body of the Church, not just through the hierarchy.

[pnwmom]

20. 99+% of the "Catholic Church" are members of the laity. n/t

[ZombieHorde]

16. I did not orchestrate the molestation cover ups, the RCC did. nt

[pnwmom]

22. The RCC did not. Certain members of the hierarchy did.

The Roman Catholic Church includes all the individual members -- it's not shorthand for the hierarchy.

[tekisui]

23. Yes it is.

When people speak of "The Catholic Church" they could be referring either to the leadership or to the entirety or even to a physical structure. The context tips you off. You are looking for a rub where there isn't one.

[pnwmom]

30. You don't think Catholics and the Catholic Church should be able to define themselves?

[tekisui]

33. They can if they want, but English speakers will continue to use

English. Context reveals what the speaker is referring to. It should be obvious to any thinking person that the OP was referring to the leadership of the catholic church. You chose to make an issue where there really isn't any.

[CakeGrrl]

4. Maybe or not, but members of Congress are less forgiving

To wit, the Dem Rep from PA who was just speaking directly to Palin's "crosshairs" graphic and working to make threats against members of Congress equivalent to threats against the President.

Yesterday's events drove home the fact that they have a very vested interest in making sure they don't have to risk life and limb performing a routine aspect of their public service.

Apart from that, there are false equivalencies in your OP.

[27inCali]

5. I think this has been a sufficiently disturbing event

to change the climate for a bit. Every Independent in the country just shivered at the thought of how much power the Tea Party has right now. A lot of wind has been taken out of their sails and maybe some grown up voices can start getting heard amid the din.

I think the Media is definitely embarrassed for having covered the Tea Party the way they did, and not called the madness out for what it is and letting it get to this point.

Things are about to get really fucking politically correct and the Repigs have just lost their footing for the next year at least.

[ZombieHorde]

18. You think the media has the ability to feel the sensation of shame? I hope you are right about that.

Are most Independents really aware of what is going on in politics?

[valerief]

7. The masses will care about what they're told to care about. That's what Fox and CNN tell them

to care about.

Can you guess what that will be?

[ZombieHorde]

17. I fear you're right. nt

[Uzybone]

9. dumb post filled with dumb analogies

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

10. Court of Public Opinion can carry HUGE sentences for vile folks like these.

OFF WITH THEIR RHETORIC!!!!!!!!

[mikehiggins]

12. He killed a 9-year old girl

She could be a Tea Partier's granddaughter, dead because this guy was encouraged to take up a gun and correct the results of the 2010 election.

How do they feel about that?

[ZombieHorde]

14. They will probably think the murderer is a liberal, or at least unrelated to their rhetoric. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

24. You lost me with the Vick crap. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

25. Yep. The core question could've been asked without bringing up a comparison

and a false one, at that.

[vaberella]

27. Exactly. The comparison is absolutely stupid. n/t

[vaberella]

26. Not many people compare dogs to humans. I'm telling you.

I won't deny that she won't suffer from blowback....well not much. But seriously...a 9 year old and sevearl humans are rarely rarely seen on the same level as dogs. Most people are allergic to animals----while everyone has certain affinity to humanity.

[ZombieHorde]

29. I value human children more than dogs as well.

I personally feel there is a difference between comparing situations and equating situations.

[RBInMaine]

32. A 9 year old is dead. This IS a game-changer on violent right wing rhetoric.