Link to MoveOn petition to Obama to support Social Security - Please sign if

[old mark]

you are concerned about this issue!!!

http://pol.moveon.org/obamasocialsecurity/?id=25859-10137622-sMtfq5x&t=3


IF YOU CARE about this, please at least check the site at the link to read the petition.

Thank you.

mark

[KansDem]

1. KnR

Signed with comment...

[Laelth]

2. Done. Here's my letter to the President.

For what it's worth:

Dear Mr. President:

It is essential to the future of the Democratic Party that we be seen as the defenders of Social Security and not its destroyers. I implore you to speak out against any proposed changes to Social Security (other than a raise of the income cap), and to veto any bill that would cut benefits in any way or raise the retirement age.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Cordially,

-Laelth

[impik]

3. A petition to stop a baseless rumor?? Maybe MoveOn should start focus on the real enemy

[Bluenorthwest]

4. A petition to an elected official is not a declaration of enemy

status, and in my opinion to see it as such is servile and divisive. You might notice that the Orator in Chief has not managed to speak his mind and intentions clearly about this. It is reckless of him to allow such rumors if they are baseless. It is reprehenisble to play coy on this issue.

[BklnDem75]

5. Putting out imaginary fires is reckless

Can we concentrate on real issues?

[ClassWarrior]

22. Being alert for real fires is responsible.

Can we concentrate on real issues while defending our values?

NGU.

[BklnDem75]

23. Apparently not

Instead of hitting back at the right, we're too busy fueling baseless rumors.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Watching out for the security of Social Security isn't "hitting back at the right?"

Is this Bizarro World?

:crazy:

NGU.

[BklnDem75]

26. It must be if you think the right is feeling this

This is all internal and it's doing damage to only one person. Do you honestly think watching the left chase their own tail isn't a dream to the right? They're laughing at us.

[ClassWarrior]

30. Do you honestly think Alan Simpleton's "recommendations" aren't a dream to the right?

:shrug:

NGU.

[BklnDem75]

31. That depends on if his "recommendations" alone...

are all that's needed. We both know it's not, so why pretend it is?

[ClassWarrior]

36. We both "know?" How do you "know?"

Explain, please, how you "know."

NGU.

[BklnDem75]

40. Because 14 of 18 votes are needed to pass?

Please tell me you knew this. Btw, the vote failed on December 3, in case you didn't know that either.

[ClassWarrior]

12. Yeah, and 33 Dems have written a letter based on that "baseless rumor."

What they hell do they know that a keyboard jockey doesn't??

http://%20voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/house_liberals_urge_obama_use.html

:rofl:

NGU.

[rhett o rick]

16. Whose side are you on? You seem to be always against the common people. nm

[rhett o rick]

17. Was it you that said that when COMCAST owns NBC that it wouldnt affect KO.

You centrist bastards can go to hell.

[flpoljunkie]

6. Dem pollsters tell the WH agreeing to some kind of 'deal' to cut SS would spell Dem disaster in '12

The Morning Plum
By Greg Sargent

Dem pollsters plead with Obama: Don't touch Social Security! An important read from Dan Froomkin, who telling the White House that agreeing to some kind of "deal" to cut Social Security would spell disaster for Dems in the next cycle.

With many convinced that Obama may address Social Security cuts in the State of the Union address, the pollsters offer a sobering assessment: Voter confidence in the Democrats' handling of Social Security is precipitously down. That's particularly striking given that Social Security has for decades been a defining bedrock issue for Dems, one that's crucial to the electorate's sense of what the Democratic Party stands for.

The pollsters also note that the elite Beltway conviction that the deficit needs to be addressed with entitlement cuts is totally disconnected from voters. As Celinda Lake puts it, going this route would be "a great way to really solidify our losses." That these Dem pollsters see the need to warn Obama off Social Security is a mark of what a nightmare scenario this remains for liberals.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/the_morning_plum_170.html

[old mark]

7. My message to Mr. Obama was to get him to clear the air and openly support

keeping social security benefits as they are, not "fixing" what is not broken. I am sorry there are those who will not even support that small effort.
I know some people love to bitch, but don't feel inclined to exert themselves to solve problems..rather just whine about how the world is not going their way.

If you don't agree with the petition, don't fucking sign it.


mark

[flpoljunkie]

8. It will certainly make for must see TV when Obama gives the SOTU address.

[Greybnk48]

9. done n/t

[ClassWarrior]

10. K&R

NGU.

[FiveGoodMen]

11. It'll never make it's way into print or TV, but I'm pretty sure the response that will get is

"Who cares what you think?"

[ClassWarrior]

13. I'm sure Paul Wellstone is proud of that arrogance.

:eyes:

And there's no apostrophe in that usage of "its."

NGU.

[Cleita]

14. Done! n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

15. Done

K&R

[boppers]

18. Millionares need their payout!

*yawn*, I don't feel that much pity for the rich, sorry.

[quakerboy]

19. Did you post in the wrong place?

[boppers]

20. Nope. Bill Gates is doing just fine.

I see no need to pay out federal funds to Billionaires.

Age testing for benefits doesn't make sense (as different jobs change your ability to work for many years), but I see no sane reason that the ultra wealthy get to retire, and be paid for that retirement by, the working class.

[quakerboy]

32. I was unaware that the ultraweathy are

getting a significant, or even considerable portion of the money involved in social security. Since thats an issue, lets define it. Bill Gates is pretty big, he must get, what 5% of all the SS money? Which means the wealthy must account for at least 25% of SS money, or something...


Or seeing as they are under a percentage of the population, they might be getting under a percentage of the payout. Everyone pays in, everyone is covered. Thats kinda the point. Everyone is taxed, everyone gets to use the public roads. In my opinion, same deal. Except for some reason the rich are not taxed for most of the money they make.

And that is the problem, and the solution to any potential future issues with SS funding. Not that someone who doesn't absolutely need SS to survive might get it, which is almost irrelevant to the SS budget. As long as they are not looking at fixing that, there is absolutely no reason to approach changing any other aspect of SS.

[boppers]

34. It depends on where the bar for "wealthy" is set, really.

If somebody's sitting on more than $106,000 in assets, I would classify them as wealthy. If you tie a means-tested pay-out limit (how much you still have) directly to the pay-in cap (how much you have had to pay per year), the game changes. Drastically.

I'd guess that's far, far, more than 25% of the costs, paying for the still-wealthy to sit on their wealth.

[Vidar]

21. Done. Thanks for posting it.

[NorthCarolina]

25. Done.....

but I suspect that the decision to cut Social Security has been made for quite a while now, and the only part remaining is how to implement with minimal fallout. Of course our resident DLC apologists will be here in force to tell us, ad nauseum, that he (Obama) really had no choice if he was going to "save" Social Security. Nevermind the facts that Social Security is solvent, they will simply insist it wasn't, much as is we see now in the MSM. The game, I suspect, has long been over.

[KoKo]

27. K&R

:kick:

[old mark]

28. Thanks for the responses-I thought this was long gone into ignore land...nt

[Caretha]

29. Here is my message to Obama

about SS

Touch SS again, other to than to raise the cap on income taxed, or to lower the age of retirement, then I go on the road to recruit every vote I can against you with the younger generation, the older generation, and those that will retire in the next ten years.

I will be so vocal you will think you need to stuff cotton in your ears to protect yourself from brain damage.

[Echotrail]

33. Done. But the Professional Left doesn't cary much weight

with the WH.

[old mark]

35. I'm not a professional...I'm retired and I do whatever I want...

:)

mark

[flpoljunkie]

37. Everything should not be 'on the table,' Mr. President.

[boston bean]

WTH does there even need to be a petition asking a democratic president to keep hand off SS? nt

[boston bean]

38. dupe

[impik]

39. MoveOn people are less and less relevant

Until they'll start fighting against the real enemy, instead of making up lies about friends - no one will take them seriously.