Obama: "Raising the retirement age

[ProudDad]

is not the best option." Not the best option? You ********, it's not an option AT ALL!!!

The option is to wind down your fucking wars!!!!

Instead of starving us older folk!!!

(this had to be said!)

[Radical Activist]

1. OMG Starvation!!11!!!

Obama ended one war and frequently restates his commitment to begin Afghanistan withdrawal on the previously state timeline.
$100 Billion in defense budget cuts was recently announced.
So far he has starved zero seniors and has proposed NOTHING that would do so.

Get a fucking grip on reality. I just stopped in to see heads exploding over Olbermann but you quickly reminded me why I don't come here anymore.

[quakerboy]

7. Uh.... what?

Which war has been ended?

[boppers]

8. We have more troops in Germany than Iraq.

That would be a hint, unless you think we're still at war with Germany. We also still have troops in Japan, but I'm pretty sure WWII is over.

[ljm2002]

17. That works, as long as you don't count the mercenaries...

...er, "contractors" who are still in Iraq doing what soldiers used to be doing.

Nice we can privatize our wars now, isn't it? Especially since the wars are usually done on behalf of the big corporations anyway. Of course, we taxpayers still have to PAY the mercenaries, but hey, as long as we can point at the number of soldiers there and say it's gone down, all is well.

[boppers]

28. We have tons of contractors in Germany, too.

Contractor work isn't limited to recent battle zones, they're all over the system.

[OwnedByFerrets]

41. +1

[former9thward]

25. Are troops still being killed in combat operations in Germany and Japan?

I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

[boppers]

29. Death continues

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/us-soldiers-killed-in-germany-us-chopper-crash-identified_100315556.html

[former9thward]

30. I said combat operations.

Since you seem to want to equate Germany with Iraq. No one in Germany is dying as a result of combat operations. They still are in Iraq. Troops die in non-combat operations all over the globe every day including the U.S.

[boppers]

35. It depends on who is labeling it, I suppose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11147300

Combat operations are officially over. (Mission Accomplished?) :-/

[Echotrail]

33. Apples and oranges. Here's why

The US still has 50,000 troops and as many or more mercenaries in Iraq. (Zero mercs in Germany, zero mercs in Japan).
Why are they still there? Do they still have a fantasy that Iraq will be a US colony?

We have 100,000 troops in Afghanistan for God-knows-how-long and about 400,000 troops in Europe and East Asia. What a stupid waste of resources and a sure way to promote war and destroy our economy.

[boppers]

34. Slight correction: We have mercs all over the world.

They perform security and "protection" duties in a large number of places, not just Iraq.

http://www.corpwatch.org/section.php?id=18

[golfguru]

49. 800 bases and a million soldiers all over the globe

we must think we are the super power still.

[golfguru]

50. Germany & Japan are still not secure

and they are not confirmed democracies. That is why we maintain hundreds of
thousands of troops there. Never mind that our treasury is $14 Trillion in
debt to China & Japan & UK. We can maintain super power status on borrowed
money.

Just like my brother-in-law maintaining a house with swimming pool, 50+ inches
flat screen TV and fancy cars, all on borrowed money.

[ProudDad]

55. Then get the fucking legions of empire the fuck out of all those places!!!

then the wars will be over...

And, yes, the USAmerican Empire IS at war with Japan and Germany as well as an economic war with its major creditor, China...

That's what the stupid fucking war machine is all about...taking "OUR RESOURCES" away from those who currently appear to own them...

[Teaser]

11. you just got pwned

.

[brentspeak]

19. I think you responded to the wrong post

[Supersedeas]

44. pretty much....but kneejerk posts like that do make the ignore feature valuable

my ignore list has been growing recently

[Jack Rabbit]

47. No doubt RA means Iraq

Where American troops are still present and still taking fire. But they're not combat troops; they are advisers.

I guess that's a distinction without a difference.

[Fruittree]

10. Thank you -

[olegramps]

13. We have 50,000 troops in Iraq along with a huge army of highly paid mercenaries.

Maybe you haven't noticed. The troops are still being targeted.

[SidDithers]

51. Elevenses1!1! !...

I'm series.

Sid

[ProudDad]

54. Over 100,000 troops and contractors garrisoned in Iraq

is NOT "ending the war"!!!

And, why don't you come back once those troops have left Afghanistan...

And even if the "announced cuts" in the war budget actually passes the Congress..

It's bullshit -- represents less than 4% of the fucking bloated war budget...

You're the one with the tenuous grip on reality... :eyes:

[boppers]

2. Starving? Really?

Compared to people who are actually starving, working another year or two is equated with a painful death?

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[boppers]

6. In the bloody, violent, evisceration and castration of message boards...

Sometimes I forget that the rape and brutal satanic murder of an innocent child is really just a mild disagreement over policy.

:evilgrin:

[DesertFlower]

5. if they have a job. the

way things are going people might be forced out at an even earlier age.

[ljm2002]

18. The people who are hurt by raising the retirement age...

...tend to be the lowest paid, whose life spans statistically have not increased that much compared to higher paid people. Also, those are the people whose work tends to be physical labor, which of course is harder to do when the body becomes subject to the frailties of age.

So as usual, the policies being discussed put the largest burden on the poorest people.

[QC]

21. Exactly. Bankers live longer now so miners must work longer.

It makes no sense at all, so of course the ruling class is all for it.

[Mimosa]

22. ^ Exactly so ^

And damn the un-reccers who support or defend these wars which have all but bankrupted our nation.

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[totodeinhere]

32. Another group hurt by raising the retirement age would be unemployed younger workers.

If the retirement age is raised then older workers will hold on to their jobs longer and that will mean fewer openings for younger workers.

[ljm2002]

36. Yes, that is another reason why it's a bad idea. n/t

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[ProudDad]

56. I see you don't remember history

the main reason Social Security was passed in the first place was to keep older folks from starving...

Exactly where many of us would return if Obama and his republican friends have their way...

You are obviously under 55 and haven't learned about age discrimination and the physical limitations that come with age -- and that accelerate after age 55...

So why don't you bloviate about something you actually know shit about? K?

[pnwmom]

3. You're twisting what he said. Of course it's an option

to some people. Obama is saying it's not his choice as the best.

Good.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. it basically won't stop the republican congress from doing it

people need to know how evil the GOP is.

[w4rma]

23. He needs to say that it is a bad choice, instead of this BS wishy-washy finger pointing crap. (nt)

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[DCBob]

12. Not only is it an option its being done right now..

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/ageincrease.htm

Where was the outrage when this was enacted several years back?

[BobbyBoring]

26. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Looks like it's BEEN done~

[golfguru]

37. Very good point! Retirement age for most people is already 67.

for maximum benefits.

[stevenleser]

46. Some folks on the left save their outrage for when a Democrat is in office. I dont understand it but

there it is.

[ProudDad]

58. So you are among those of us who realize

that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the pukes and the dems, eh?

Some folks expect more of the Dems...Do you understand that?

[Enrique]

15. if he said that, I believe he intends to do it

I've begun figuring out Obama's code.

[Tutankhamun]

20. Exactly. "...not he best option..." is Obama language for"Go ahead and do it, GOP."

He's telegraphing that he will not really try to stop it from happening. He will let the GOP do it if he gets to blame them.

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[Catherina]

16. This had to be rec'd. n/t

[trayNTP]

27. Lowering the retirement age is probably a better policy

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/08/cash-geezers-lower-retirement-age-55-now

[Supersedeas]

52. honoring the promises to those who have served and contributed...not a priority

[totodeinhere]

31. Give me a break. Obama does not want to starve older people or anyone else for that matter.

Hey, if he said raising the retirement age is "not the best option" then that's a start. He should be praised for saying that, not the other way around.

Also, calling President Obama a "********" is not helpful.

[TheKentuckian]

38. Allowing Social Security eligibility to be raised AGAIN is also not helpful.

Much of the President's financial policy has not been helpful to most people, particularly the bottom 60%.

I'm tired of the little narrative that the good of this one man outweighs the needs of tens and hundreds of millions.

[ProudDad]

60. Yep, he's just clueless and ignorant

while he's spouting right-wing republican talking points...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

39. Raising the retirement age certainly IS an option

"BOHICA"

The ironic part: try to find a job if you're anywhere near retirement age.

Raising the age is just a way of denying benefits.

:hi:

[northernlights]

40. relax...they're not planning on starving us

Seriously, get a grip. They're planning on working us until we drop dead in harness. That way there will be more grass for the elite living at pasture.

[ProudDad]

59. You've got that right!

:hi:

[HeroTwins]

42. after you're done with your tantrum. Check out some pictures from Africa for real starvation.

[dionysus]

45. hookay

[jefferson_dem]

48. "cat food...(blah blah blah)...cat food..."

Got it. Surely, there's some kind of deathy panel in there too.

[ProudDad]

61. What part of raiding "entitlements"

don't you get?

[jefferson_dem]

64. What part of wild-eyed demagoguery

don't you get?

[LibDemAlways]

53. We live in a country in which workers in their 50s are now routinely laid off.

At that age it is already very difficult to find another job at all, much less one that will see a person through to retirement. If anything, the retirement age should be lowered.

[ProudDad]

62. It's too bad the Nixon Admin was prevented by the Dixiecrats (mostly)

from passing a national guaranteed annual income...

[dflprincess]

63. He used to say insurance mandates were not an option

now he thinks requiring us to buy the same old crap from the same old crooks constitutes "historic reform".

No doubt he'll decide raising the retirement age is not only "saving" Social Security but a recognition of the contributions older Americans make (at least those who manage to stay employed).