What a shocker, he left out us Atheist....

[and-justice-for-all]

this religion, that religion...but, no mention of Atheist.

[Buzz Clik]

1. When did atheism become a religion? (Other than here at DU?)

[tekisui]

2. It hasn't. Not even here.

[cleanhippie]

76. You should head over to R&T then, because many there seem to disagree with you.

You and I are in agreement that it is not, but there are several here that think differently.

[and-justice-for-all]

3. It is not a religion....

but he could have added in there..." religion religion religion, and yes, even Atheist." not hard to INCLUDE us in there.

[Goblinmonger]

4. Do you really not get the point? n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

18. Of course they do not get the point....

as that can be validated by the slew of trite comments in this thread

[Buzz Clik]

109. Sure, I get it. I always have: atheists want to have the same recognition as a major religion.

It's bullshit.

Why should someone who has a patent disbelief receive special recognition for that disbelief?

"We'd like to pay special thanks to all those charities who made this event possible: Habitat for Humanity, United Way, Red Cross, Doctors without Borders. And let's not forget all those people who feel that charities are a waste of time and money."

What's not to get?

[Goblinmonger]

110. Couple problems with that

1. If it is recognition of religions, I don't expect to be in there. But when he is talking about the different types of soldiers and mentions religions, he may want to acknowledge those without religion, too. Or are they not soldiers that add to the diversity? When he talks about prejudice in regard to religion, he may want to actually recognize that atheists are at the lead in prejudice because of their lack of religious beliefs.

2. Are you seriously saying that atheists aren't charitable? I don't think so, but it kind of looks that way.

[Buzz Clik]

111. No, was making no comment about the charitable giving of atheists. n/t

[jonnyblitz]

17. typical woo idiocy. nt

[cleanhippie]

77. Huh? What do you mean?

[Coexist]

5. President Obama is the first POTUS in my lifetime to EVER mention

atheists.

so just stop.

[tekisui]

7. Yeah. He said the word before, so STFU!!!

:eyes:

[Coexist]

13. oh for crying out loud.. he mentioned atheism at the national prayer breakfast

at the inauguration.

whine... whine... whine...

and I'm an atheist

[Hissyspit]

19. Why did he not do it this time?

Why not keep it up?

[Richardo]

22. Specifically to piss off DU

[Coexist]

26. +1

[and-justice-for-all]

30. -2

[and-justice-for-all]

29. Not sure, but some people here on DU...

seem to think that it should not matter. I guess even people here think that Atheist should not be included, not to mention Obama did not mention 'sexual orintation' either...but, accoring to DU "forget about it."

[RollWithIt]

96. I guess you missed the whole part about the repeal of DADT....

But oh well.... keep moving those goal posts. Eventually you'll be outside the stadium wondering what happened.

[RichGirl]

59. Why always ask why.

[mcollins]

88. Have you not heard?

All the rightwing freeks know he is a Muslim.

:eyes:

He WANTS to make this entire nation a nation of Islam!

It's true! I heard it on the radio.

:sarcasm:

[and-justice-for-all]

8. Nope.

[Fuddnik]

70. Uh no.

I believe George H. W. Bush stated that he didn't even consider any atheists as patriots.

[Teaser]

6. WHAT ABOUT MY NEEDS???

.

[and-justice-for-all]

9. ....

:eyes:

[Coexist]

14. +1

[rko_24550]

95. +100

[Uzybone]

10. any why should an atheist care?

Seriously.

[Goblinmonger]

51. Yeah, why care about being left out.

He was speaking to and including everyone but you guys. Why are you pissed about that?

:sarcasm: in case you are an idiot.

[cleanhippie]

78. Why SHOULDN'T an atheist care?

seriously.

[kwassa]

86. lack of belief = lack of care

Why would you like to be lumped in with theists in the first place?

[cleanhippie]

94. I don't want to be, but I DO want to be included in the conversation.

[kwassa]

97. conversation about religion? you are not religious, so why be included?

[cleanhippie]

98. Oh, come now. No need to be so obtuse.

[Uzybone]

90. as an atheist I don't care that those who believe in imaginary things

(believers please take no offense) don't include me in their prayers or discussions about said imaginary things.

Why should an atheist care?

[Richardo]

11. Are you that insecure about it ?

If you're an Atheist, BE an Atheist. You don't need anyone else's validation or even acknowledgment.*



*This is my advice for religions, dietary preferences, and allegiances of all kinds.

[and-justice-for-all]

15. Fail...nt

[Richardo]

20. Whatevs

You're the one with the high blood pressure about it.

[and-justice-for-all]

25. No high blood pressure about....

But we are Americans too.

[cleanhippie]

79. Insecure about being excluded? Sure, no reason not be.

:wtf:

[Thrill]

12. He left out Red Headed Midgets too

.

[and-justice-for-all]

16. Mega Fail..nt

[Thrill]

34. No the thread starter was an EPIC Fail.

[Goblinmonger]

53. Only if they are atheists.

They probably fit into the rest of the list.

[old mark]

63. Yeah, and THAT really pissed me off...fuckin' republican commie.....nt

[Name removed]

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[jenmito]

23. He mentions us Atheists in almost every speech. I'M glad he mentioned MUSLIMS. n/t

[vaberella]

37. I'd like your perspective.

Another poster stated they were demonized in that speech...is it true?

[Mass]

42. Reread what I posted.

Clearly, you should go to bed and take care of this flu. Take care.:hi: :hi:

[vaberella]

52. I did reread it. I did several times.

You said you were thankful for a president who recognized you without demonizing you. It was not the case today...<---Correct?! So that would mean today you were demonized?! Again I can't read between the lines here. I'm taking this at face value.

[Mass]

62. The point is he did not recognize us...

[totodeinhere]

82. Does every group necessarily have to be recognized? If he had to recognize everybody

his speech would still be going on this morning.

[jenmito]

46. Who is "they"? Atheists or Muslims?

Either way, neither was demonized. And I, as an atheist, always listen for things like that. Obama is the ONLY president who has mentioned us several times.

[vaberella]

54. Athiests. thanks. n/t

[jenmito]

55. OK-no problemo! n/t

[vaberella]

24. Atheist is a religion?! n/t

[Mass]

28. LOL. You know exactly what he means! It was nice to have a president

recognizing we exist without demonizing us. Too bad it was not the case today.

[and-justice-for-all]

32. THANK YOU...

but apparently I should not bother me.

[vaberella]

35. Don't. If you were clear from the get go I would never have responded with my post. n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

38. That was not a response for you...

I did not even comment on your post.

[vaberella]

45. Of course not. The poster you responded too was commenting on my post. n/t

[vaberella]

33. Actually I didn't know what s/he meant.

I'm not much of a critical thinker, especially with the flu. I took what the poster said at face value. I don't appreciate people assuming things about what goes on in my head---when it was asked, even if it may be stupid now, something I didn't think them to mean originally.

Secondly...Atheists were demonized? How so?!

[Mass]

39. You must be joking? Polls show that more than 60 % of Americans

think that you cannot be moral without believing in God, and even less people are ready to vote for a declared atheist than for a Muslim (not that you should refuse to vote for somebody because he is a Muslim, IMHO). This is telling.

[and-justice-for-all]

41. I think DU has lost its fucking mind...nt

[vaberella]

48. ...

:eyes:

I sadly thought the same thing when I read your post.

[muffin1]

93. I'm with you.

:thumbsup:

[vaberella]

44. Okay...I thought you were suggesting that they were demonized in the speech.

I'm lost. With the flu...I'm not good with veering off topic. I thought we were still on Obama's speech.

[and-justice-for-all]

47. Not demonized, just left out....nt

[vaberella]

49. That post wasn't for you. I'd wait on the original poster to comment.

They suggested the speech demonized Athiests---or that's what I read. I wanted to know how.

[Mass]

65. I think I am the one using the word demonized, and I was not speaking about the speech/.

Show me where I said the speech demonized us. I added a post explaining what I meant, so I find insulting that you continue saying otherwise. The fact is that it ignored us.

[Ochsfan]

106. Obama already leaves me out

as a liberal. Why should I be surprised when he leaves me out as an atheist as well?

[saras]

89. Yes, but how many Americans think being 'moral' is a good thing?

Maybe 60%? Maybe 70%

Maybe it's just because I'm in school, but it's pretty easy to find people (who others would think moral, not criminals and sociopaths) who just reject the whole notion of 'morality' as a fraud. To them, being 'moral' means doing what some authoritarian leader, organization, or belief system tells you to. It has nothing to do with making good decisions.

How many DUers identify with being a 'bad boy'? or a 'bad girl'?

[SpartanDem]

27. Quit whining

He's mentioned atheist in past speeches.

[and-justice-for-all]

31. I can't tell you what I really want to say

but I think you can guess what it may be.

[SpartanDem]

56. For an atheist you sure know how play the martyr

maybe someone can loan you a cross to nail yourself to

[madmom]

71. he also mentioned christians and muslims and gays etc, etc in other speeches. So what's your point?

[SpartanDem]

103. My point is don't have snit

because he didn't mention you in one speech

[madmom]

104. but it's ok for everyone else to "have snit" because he didn't mention them or their cause? Gotcha!

:eyes: This place has been full of OPs complaining because Obama didn't mention ......(fill in the blank) why not say the same to them all? Agree it's only ONE speech and is limited on time.
If you did tell all the others to "don't have snit" then I apologize because usually when I start to read one that says "Obama doesn't get it he forgot to mention.......(any one of a possible infinite number of things he could have mentioned) I usually stop reading and go elsewhere.

[cleanhippie]

80. Not until we are treated equally.

You ARE for equal treatment, right?

[Arkana]

36. And as an atheist, somehow I don't give a shit.

I'm just fine with a President who will leave me alone. And that's what he's doing.

[and-justice-for-all]

40. ...

:eyes:

[Arkana]

43. How insightful.

I'm sure you put a lot of thought and effort into that post. Keep 'em coming, champ.

[New Earth]

50. he also left out

New Thought/Religious Science people too. I'm not really offended!

[damonm]

57. Have some cheese to go along with your whine...

[KansasVoter]

73. LOL....and you arenwhining aboutnhim whining. Dumb

[Starbucks Anarchist]

58. He didn't sing "Surfin' Bird" either!

[Richardo]

60. !!!

:rofl:

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. Needin' some affirmation, are ya?

A hug maybe?

[lunatica]

64. Make up your mind. Are you Atheists religious or aren't you?

Aren't atheists non religious?

[barbiegeek]

66. He addressing RELIGIONS & Atheism is NOT a religion. It was about Religious Hate Speech

So to talk about Atheism when you talking about different religions doesn't even make sense. Atheists don't worship any thing.

He didn't mention Xenu for the Scientologists or the Goddess for Pagans either.

His point was to get people to stop the Muslim hate talk (remember Conservative Christians are protesting Mosque buildings).

[mkultra]

67. I guess you could pray to the void for deliverance

[WI_DEM]

68. What president has talked about athiests, this is nothing new.

but as susual, on DU, it's Obama who is taken to task--even though he has spoken about Athiests in the past.

[BklnDem75]

69. He didn't mention Wiccans or satanists either

Should he pull out a laundry list so he won't miss anyone?

[JoePhilly]

74. Did he mention Mormons? Scientologists?

[BklnDem75]

75. And Birthers

From the holy book of Vattel. Or is that Cult? Hmmm....

[ensho]

72. I noticed that too and thought 'coward'

nt

[kjackson227]

81. He also didn't mention post-menopausal women either...

but I'm not complaining.:crazy:

[LanternWaste]

83. I imagine he could have spent...

I imagine he could have spent an hour and a half listing every world-view, philosophy, belief and religion that has at least one member in the U.S. so as not to leave any one person out... :shrug:

[slackmaster]

84. I'm an Agnostic, and I for one did not feel persecuted by my beliefs not being mentioned

Choose to be outraged at your own risk.

[mkultra]

85. he didnt mention the disenfranchised ponies either

[kwassa]

87. WHAT ??? NO PONIES???

[RandomKoolzip]

91. And YOU left out the "s" at the end of "atheists."

[Politicub]

92. You know what? He left out pink ponies too, and the people who love them

He also left out Norman Rockwell painting lovers, druids and heaven's gate adherents.

Oh, and he didn't mention lesbians who are thespians, the letter "s," or COBOL programmers.

:eyes:

[name not needed]

101. You forgot Poland.

[backscatter712]

99. He missed the FSM too!

He boiled for our sins, so make sure that when you go to worship and eat of His body, that it's cooked al dente!

[zulchzulu]

100. To be a declared "Atheist", you are saying you believe in playing the Superstition Game

Real atheists don't even give a shit about whether there is any dialogue about a "God". You bit the bait if you even go there saying you think there is no God.

Saying you don't believe in God is as stupid as saying you do believe in God. It gets you sucked in the Mystical Superstition Vortex.

Why even go there?

[Codeine]

102. Why do so many people have difficulty pluralizing

"atheists" and "terrorists"? It's a constant thing -- "we need to fight the terrorist in their hiding places" and "why did he forget us atheist?"

It's widespread and bizarre.

[southernyankeebelle]

105. Poor baby. Thank your lucky stars they haven't burned you at the steaks yet, LOL. I am a firm

believer that if you want to believe in god then that is ok. If you don't want to believe that is OK to. I don't care, but I really would wish the government stay out of the religion business.

[AndrewP]

107. I'm an Atheist, and that didn't bother me in the least

I figure if you are a politician in America you have to kiss up to all of the sky Daddy groups to keep their support. So be it.

[Imagevision]

108. Marc, your an Atheist, why does it bother you?