Why are Deaniacs more anti-Obama than Dean himself?

[Still a Democrat]

It seems to me Dean's most ardent supporters are pretty critical of Obama while Dean himself is a pretty strong supporter of Obama.

:shrug:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I suspect some have a vision of Dean as being something other than

what he really is. Dean was never a flaming progressive.

[emulatorloo]

4. yes, there is a lot of projection going on I think n/t

[Kurovski]

7. Dean is a pragmatist.

Something president Obama often has said about him, but it just as often appears to others that he is not.

[Phx_Dem]

21. I was going to post the same, but you already nailed it. n/t

[sharp_stick]

2. Oh don't worry they'll abandon Dean

pretty soon, they just have to find another guy to get behind first. It's not like many of them would be willing to lead themselves.

[tridim]

3. Dean is like an elementary particle, under the bus and not under the bus.

Often at the same time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Schroedinger's Former Presidential Candidate?

[tridim]

9. Hehe, that's even better! Love it.

[Teaser]

23. so do you subscribe to the CopenhaDean interpretation

or the Many-Deans interpretation of Deanum Mechanics?

[zipplewrath]

6. Looking in versus looking out

Dean is basically playing the insiders game, or at least trying to be one. He's chosen to play the game. Most of the people to which you allude have given up and are looking from the outside in.

It's a matter of perspective.

[Kurovski]

8. Thanks for saying something that rings true...

and without being a passive-aggressive snit about it. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

Thank you for being honest without playing emotional sides.

[treestar]

10. Dean criticized Obama once and became a left wing hero

I guess they did not realize that meant Dean would at other times agree with Obama. They started the primary campaign without Dean's consent.

Then Bernie Sanders came along and took that role for a little while.

Grayson had it too for a bit.

[Kurovski]

15. Dean was around and about well before Obama.

But anything to keep swinging that little machete through DU.

[Autumn]

11. I really like Dr Dean. He is one

of my favorites, but,I think for myself. That comes from my Momma asking me if I was going to jump off a bridge if my friends did. That answer was always No. I learned a lot from my Mom. I will never support someone based on whether someone else supports them. My support is earned not given.

[rko_24550]

27. +1

[Recursion]

12. Because Dean's supporters have always made him out as something he's not

He's taken to be a very liberal "anti-corporate" Democrat despite being fairly middle of the road on most issues, and even almost conservative on a few. I suppose it's because he sounds angry when he talks in public sometimes, which makes people feel better.

The most bizarre one that has popped up lately is this apparently widespread belief on DU that for the years he was chairman, the Democratic party was much less "corporatist" (whatever that means), which those who believe that take to be responsible for the electoral victories in '04 and '08.

[Kurovski]

13. That's a remarkably broad brush.

It's presumptuous and rude, and part of it is technically incomprehensible.

Emotional bullying is no way to gather anyone to your cause, whatever that cause may be. And what your cause is, is not particularly clear here.

"Corporatist" may in part mean being amenable to allowing corporations to write their own regulations, go unpunished for crimes, or even changing laws so that crime is no longer an issue. It can also mean taking management's side over labor one too many times. It is surprising to me that you would "wonder" about that word.

[madfloridian]

14. Dean has decided to stand with the party leaders, right or wrong.

I have decided to stand up for issues I believe in, like public education. He is not going to say or do anything to hurt the president. Therefore, anything the president does will be all right with him.

That is his choice.

[jonnyblitz]

17. people can disagree with Dean and still like him. I think

many here are projecting their black and white thinking on others.

[madfloridian]

18. I think he took the easy way out.

[PassingFair]

24. Dean has always advocated change from the INSIDE of the party.

We are so far to the right these days, that
you can't even SUGGEST progressive change.

(Not that Dean is an "insider"....)

Only bank bailouts as far as the eye can see.

Cover-ups and more expensive and spectacular
invisible suits for the Emperor.

[tekisui]

16. I think you are off with your generalizations.

Many of those you label ardent Dean supporters are in fact issue supporters, and have supported Dean's positions, as they were most closely in line with.

That Obama doesn't support the same position on important issues does not make them anit-Obama either.

[phleshdef]

19. Because Howard Dean is reasonable and capable of empathy for the realities of the political climate.

[PassingFair]

20. Why do people think "Deaniacs" are mindless drones who agree with everything Dean utters?

Answer:
Because that's what they were told by the DLC.

[Kurovski]

22. You had to go and say those three little letters...

dincha? :D :hi:

Long time no see.

[PassingFair]

26. They really won the day with their Hobson's Choice in 2008....

I don't know why they bothered...
except if McCain hadn't of chosen
Palin as a running-mate, maybe he
would have run as a "moderate" and
pulled votes from Clinton.

:hi:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

31. Thank you. What an idiotic OP. (n/t)

[Dawgs]

25. Dean lost me on hi NY mosque position, but I was never really a Deaniac.

Although, he's still a lot better than Obama.

[Malikshah]

28. Hmm. Helpful suggestion. Starting a thread with "Deaniacs" is not going

to elicit any real helpful discourse.

Please come back when you're ready to discuss things like an adult.

BTW: Generalizations are also a cautionary sign of sloppy thinking.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. What are the metrics? How anti-Obama is Dean?

If he is the standard, what are the expressions of this opposition you claim he has to Obama. I see the Republicans as anti-Obama. I see Dean as having issues with some of the administration's policies.

[JNelson6563]

30. Not THIS Deaniac!

I applaud Dean's Team Player attitude and agree with his comments on most things.

Please don't lump us all together!

Julie