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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:40 PM
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Healthcare's Home Stretch
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/12/healthcares-home-stretch


Healthcare's Home Stretch

— By Kevin Drum
Tue Dec. 15, 2009 8:34 AM PST


With the public option now out of the healthcare bill, is it still worth passing? Regular readers will be unsurprised that I think the answer is pretty firmly yes—and that liberals who now want to pick up their toys and hand reform its sixth defeat in the past century need to wake up and smell the decaf. Politics sucks. It always has. But the bill in front of us—messy, incomplete, and replete with bribes to every interest group imaginable—is still well worth passing. First, here's me a few months ago:

If you combine (a) Medicare, (b) our current employer-based insurance regime, and (c) community rating along with subsidies for low-income families, you've essentially institutionalized universal healthcare insurance. Not everyone will take advantage of it—there will always be a few people who go without coverage even if it's affordable—and you still a need a few other things like out-of-pocket caps. Still, it's basically a statement that everyone in the country can and should be covered. And once that becomes a cultural norm, it will never go away.


Even without the public option, which can be added on to the current legislative framework later if we stay on the ball and scrape up the votes for it, we're still getting community rating and subsidies for low- and middle-income families. That's huge. And here's Ezra Klein:

"This is a good bill," Sen. Sherrod Brown said on Countdown last night. "Not a great bill, but a good bill." That's about right. But the other piece to remember is that more than it's a good bill, it's a good start. With $900 billion in subsidies already in place, it's easier to add another hundred billion later, if we need it, than it would be to pass $1 trillion in subsidies in 2011. With the exchanges built and private insurers unable to hold down costs, it's easier to argue for adding a strong public option to the market than it was before we'd tried regulation and a new competitive structure. With 95 percent of the country covered, it's easier to go the final 5 percent. And with a health-care reform bill actually passed, it's easier to convince legislators that passing such bills is possible.

On its own terms, the bill is the most important social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering.


Ten years ago this bill would have seemed a godsend. The fact that it doesn't now is a reflection of higher aspirations from the left, and that's great. It demonstrates a resurgence of liberalism that's long overdue. But this is still a huge achievement that will benefits tens of millions of people in very concrete ways and will do it without expanding our long-term deficit. Either with or without a public option, this is more than Bill Clinton ever did, more than Teddy Kennedy did, more than LBJ did, more than Truman did, and more than FDR did. There won't be many other times in our lives any of us will be able to say that. So pass the bill. The longer we wait, the worse it will get. Pass it now.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:42 PM
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1. So, tell me...
Why do I still feel so much damn outrage over what we have lost?

I am being whipsawed.

And so are too many other good people.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:45 PM
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2. I'm thinking about what might be gained. Is it worth it, despite the
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 06:50 PM by babylonsister
letdown, engineered by Lieberman, who knew he had a crucial vote. I think it is, especially if these remain solid... Also, the House has to weigh in, so no one really knows what the end result will be.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x58324

snip//

Among the areas of agreement:

_ Requiring most people to have a certain level of health care coverage. In the Senate bill, those who don't would pay a $750 penalty after 2016, up to a maximum of $2,250 per family. The House penalty is on a sliding scale, depending on income.

_ Helping those who have trouble paying for coverage. Both bills offer help to people who earn up to 400 percent of the poverty level, currently about $88,000 a year for a family of four.

_ Creating health insurance exchanges. Though the bills differ in how the exchanges would be set up, they agree that consumers would be able to shop for coverage and rates easily through the exchange, or marketplace. Exchanges would have to offer four kinds of plans, from basic to premium. Basic plans would cover 70 percent of the actuarial value of costs in the House version, 60 percent in the Senate bill.

_ Barring insurers from denying coverage or charging people more because of pre-existing conditions.

_ Ending separate rates because of gender, which now is allowed in most states. In addition, both bills would limit how much more an insurer could charge someone because of age.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:48 PM
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3. You could be right.
God, I sure hope so.

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:54 PM
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4. Thank you Babylon... tell me...are there other forums to visit for RATIONAL people???
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 06:55 PM by Windy
those who, like the writer in your post, understand the flaws of the system we have, the underhanded players in the congress etc.

No matter what Obama would have done in the way of yelling and screaming and threats, the money Lieberman and his wife along with Nelson and the other blue dogs get from the industry has put the breaks on true, full and all encompassing reform. Money talks with these blue dogs and Lieberman as well as the repubs. Can't forget them.

Unfortunately, Obama is getting flack from the left because he has chosen to let democracy work as designed...and its an ugly process especially when individual human greed instead of what's best for the populous becomes involved.

Until the congress reformed by way of elections, you can forget progressive change.

OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND NOT A DICTATOR!!!

MOST OF THE IDIOTS TRASHING OBAMA NOW FOR NOT BEING MORE OF A HARD ASS DICTATOR LOST THEIR MINDS OVER BUSH/CHENEY WHEN THEY ILLEGALLY AND THROUGH DUBIOUS METHODS GOT WHAT THEY WANTED THROUGH THEIR TERM!!!!

Hypocrisy is bubbling over on DU!

If you think that Obama has any real sway over Lieberman/Nelson/Landrieu, et al, your living in a dream world!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:12 PM
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5. They just use that as an
excuse now so they rage on Obama.

"If he can't lead then he should resign":silly:
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:15 PM
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6. I really can't stand to be in this forum, anymore. Its so sad. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:40 PM
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12. You could post in
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:55 AM
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16. Thanks for the suggestion
Why didn't I think of that :-)? I need some virtual hand holding given all the frustration in these recent days.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:21 PM
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17. Glad somebody
got my little hint.:)
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:35 PM
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10. There are plenty of rational folks still here....
.... I realize that I sound a bit vain saying that, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. :)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:19 PM
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7. Help me out here...

"...we're still getting community rating and subsidies for low- and middle-income families."

What does that mean?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:48 PM
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8. Maybe this will help...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_rating

Community rating is a concept usually associated with health insurance, which requires health insurance providers to offer health insurance policies within a given territory at the same price to all persons without medical underwriting, regardless of their health status.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:05 PM
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9. Thanks!
:hi:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:35 PM
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11. We have the potential of becoming our own worst enemy...
.... let the GOP sit back while WE do the dirty work.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:23 AM
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13. Another necessary kick ...

Been going through a list of links I was going to post, checking for dupes ...

These articles you keep beating me to aren't getting enough attention, especially considering all the hand-wringing going on. It's almost as though some people don't *want* to look toward a positive strategy or find any benefit in anything.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:29 AM
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14. Oh they definetly don't want anything
positive..it's been going on long before this.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:37 AM
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15. Just Get This Goddamn Thing Fucking Passed So We Can Start Building On Top Of It And Refining It
n/t
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:53 PM
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19. Beet, that's one of the smartest things I've read here in a long time!
:fistbump:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:28 PM
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18. It isnt absolutely wittled down to a toothpick yet..
...give it a couple more weeks and it will be, then they will vote on it.

This bill represents a massive failure. It has been eviscerated down to nothing. Lieberman has been allowed to own it. FAIL

Why keep putting lipstick on a pig? Your bar sure has gotten a lot lower over the last month or so.


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