Lieberman - I predicted THIS October 30th - do I get a prize?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

http://www.businessinsider.com/lieberman-threatens-to-go-gop-in-2012-torpedoing-all-hopes-of-getting-to-60-on-healthcare-2009-12
Lieberman Threatens To Go GOP In 2012, Torpedoing All Hopes Of Getting To 60 On Healthcare
Joe Weisenthal|Dec. 16, 2009, 5:33 AM


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6889407
Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-30-09 10:26 AM
Original message
I honestly think that Lieberman is prepping for a very flashy party jump
He'll do it right before the Senate healthcare debate for maximum exposure. He will run as a Republican in Connecticut, a state with thousands of insurance jobs, and he will say he did it to save those jobs (at the cost of American lives, but whose counting?) and to save all Americans from "government run" (gasp!) healthcare.

If the Democrats were smart (which they have proved time and again they are not where he is concerned) they would use his recent threats of supporting Republican filibuster and plans to campaign for Republicans in 2010 as the excuse to throw him out of the caucus and strip him of his chairmanship.

He will be robbed of his self-aggrandizing moment in the sun which will suck all the air out of the room during the reform debate WHICH WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO but which the media won't be covering because they will be all Joe Lieberman for a 24-48 hr news cycle.

So Dems, for once, be smart and rid yourselves of Lieberman - screw him before he screws you. His switch to the Republican party will look like him crawling on his stomach hoping someone will take him instead of the great shafting of Obama, Reid and the Dems as is currently designed

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They should have followed my advice.

[pnwmom]

1. A teensy weensy little problem with your plan though.

You probably didn't notice, but we just passed an extremely important budget measure with exactly 60 votes -- and Lieberman's was essential because the Rethugs were going to filibuster.

On edit: the vote passed with 57 votes, but it needed 60 votes for cloture. (To end debate) Three Dems voted for cloture who voted against the actual bill.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Yes, but at what price? n/t

[pnwmom]

4. This bill was essential. Without raising the debt ceiling, government would

have ground to a halt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091213/ap_on_bi_ge/us_congress_spending

The spending bill combines six of the 12 annual appropriation bills for the 2010 budget year that began Oct. 1. Obama has signed into law five others.
The final one, a $626 billion defense bill, will be used as the base bill for another catch-all package of measures that Congress must deal with in the coming days. Those include action to raise the $12.1 trillion debt ceiling and proposals to stimulate the job market.
The spending bill passed Sunday includes $447 billion for departments' operating budgets and about $650 billion in mandatory payments for federal benefit programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. Those programs under immediate control of Congress would see increases of about 10 percent.

[Xipe Totec]

6. You're missing the point

The question is not whether the bill should have passed, but how much we had to sacrifice in order to get it, who is responsible for those sacrifices.

[pnwmom]

9. I don't think we've sacrificed anything YET. Here's why.

It concerns what will happen if both the House and Senate pass a HCR bill, and it then goes to a Conference committee.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7240157

[Xipe Totec]

2. It's time to flush the toilet to clear the log jam

Send Joe to where he belongs.

[AllentownJake]

5. I was saying that as well

and the party jump will probably be before Christmas.

Saying you aren't ruling out a party switch in 2012 in the press is a message to the other party that you are willing to sit down and talk about a deal.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. That's what I think.

I think they're just putting the finishing touches on the unveiling.

[MerryBlooms]

7. President Obama should have let Reid dump Lieberman

right after the election, like Reid wanted. Instead, Obama told Reid to keep him and so now to get rid of him, there has to be a vote in the Senate to remove him from his chairmanship and that can be filibustered. So, we're stuck with Lieberman until his term ends.

[pnorman]

8. I VOTED AGAINST THAT SNAKE IN 2000!

and all i got for THAT was sneers & jeers from some of the more hysterical of the Nader haters here on DU!