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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:44 AM Original message |
Waterboarding is torture. Being made to sleep naked is not torture. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. -1 |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yet you offer nothing to refute a word I said. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Perhaps because you're misstating |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. And yet you can't explain WHY, nor provide any evidence. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. If saying |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Forced nudity a breach of the Geneva Conventions... |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Please don't take this as snark, because that is not what I intend, |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Conflicting reports because few are able to talk to him... |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Interesting... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Your own article says forced nudity for the purpose of coercion, to get information from them. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
81. Interesting that you chose to leave out the parts that count |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
70. Then every single prisoner in the Western world is being tortured |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. He isnt talking about bathing |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. He's talking about nudity |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. are you for real??? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yes, I'm real, I'm naked and I'm in my bed. Its torture I tells ya. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. He gave up that freedom when he betrayed his military oath. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. what is the PURPOSE of making him sleep naked???????? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. To keep him from hanging himself with his clothes. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. yes, because you ENJOY sleeping naked |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. No, because torture involves something much more severe, it involves actual pain. |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
75. No, it doesnt have to involve physical pain, and you know it |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I think it's more than sleeping naked. According to MSNBC, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
68. Cuz he suggested he could commit suicide with the elastic band of his undies, a few weeks after |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. he's a soldier - he has virtually no freedom and choices |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. ? |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. When one volunteers for military service |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Makes you question anyone that CHOOSES military, as opposed to trying to get out of even worse envir |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
49. I'll bet it is for your wife..... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. About the STUPIDEST thing I have heard here. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You can't even keep your posters straight. I wasn't the "tired of Manning threads" poster. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. Are you looking for a job in the DOJ Office of Policy? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Splitting hairs? Yes because pointing out REAL torture and how it differs from this stuff... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You're implying that it's legal because its humiliation, not physical torture. Right? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Actually its prohibited as a means of coercion and interrogation... but its not... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No, it's prohibited as mistreatment. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So being seen naked by guards is humiliating? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Where it's perceived as punative, it is. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Nothing is wrong with me. There is not one iota of proof for that. Regardless, he isn't a POW. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:38 AM Original message |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. So it's torture when done to POWs... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. By the way, he also is not a prisoner of war which is what your post applies to. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. You're falling back on a technicality - a distinction without a difference. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Nudity is not immoral. So there is no moral argument to make one way or the other. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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saorsa (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
31. Forced nudity, on and off the suicide watches with limitations on excersize, some people |
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nenagh (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
33. The last I read on DU, posted by Clio the Leo, Mon Mar 14, @ 12:48 am,, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
34. Yes and continuing to use the label is faux outrage |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
35. long term isolation is torture |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
37. Yes it's really more like a fraternity hazing. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
38. I imagine what we call a thing.. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
40. legal, immoral and unethical are not all the same thing |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Isn't the whole concept of contrived punishment based on mistreatment? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. No, because Locking people up (in certain cases) is constructive |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
42. Solitary does long-term psych damage. Forced nudity violates human rights standards. And |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. exactly |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. Inhumanity at Quantico |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. . |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. This article is a week old and now contains outdated information... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. For one, the Daily Mail is a tabloid UK publication and I think you |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Ah, so truth becomes outdated? Is that why the 'I'm a Christian' |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
50. Here's a thought: |
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micraphone (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
51. This OP is missing something I think |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. I wonder why you say this? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. How many limbs has Manning broken? |
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Jeneral2885 (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
56. i agree |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
57. The UN disagrees with you |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. They're not extracting a confession |
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jeremyfive (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
58. Personally, I'm mad as hell about some of what documents revealed. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
60. I see not one cite of law in your statement. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. Waterboarding is just college pranks... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
66. Are you aware of how many times you spelled "definitely" wrong? |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. I bet you wouldn't think that if it were happening to you. Or your relatives. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
71. "Hell, I've slept naked numerous times"... |
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BlueRidgeProgressive (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
72. The rack is torture. Waterboarding is not torture. |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I cant believe someone is dredging up that old RW meme |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
79. Excuses like this are absurd - we didn't vote for another Bush. nt |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Minimisation is just another form of denial |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
85. Agree 100! Manning is exactly where he should be and he's not being tortured. |
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