If Dems are planning on doing a Reconciliation Bill AFTER passing this Bill containing Insurance

[Pirate Smile]

Regulatory reforms (along with the subsidies, putting the exchange in place, etc.) which can not be contained within Reconcilliation, should they keep it quiet and just take all the vitriol OR should they tell people they are planning on moving up the dates from 2013 for the health insurance mechanisms to kick in and add additional subsidies to make insurance affordable?

If you talk about it, Lieberman may still be able to kill it somehow like he did once he saw that liberals like Anthony Weiner liked the Medicare-Buy-In plan.

Shut up and take the abuse now OR share Reconciliation plans for after it passes which may calm some fears but potentially trigger more Revolting Joe action?


Reconcilliation doesn't have to come before the Regulatory reform. You can pass reforms now (which can be modified as needed later) and then do additional reforms through Reconciliation/Budget. If the Regulatory reform part has to go back to the drawing board then kiss it good bye for a long time.

[uponit7771]

1. Yeap, except that Reid isn't going for reconciliation right now...

[Pirate Smile]

2. I know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x61614

[napi21]

3. Last resport I'm sure, and no they shouldn't talk about it. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

5. Do you think I should delete the OP?

[napi21]

17. No. IF it was going to be seen it already has been. Besids, you

aren't the first poster to say the same thing.

[Ozymanithrax]

4. As soon as it passes and people quit screaming "Kill Bill" we can worry about reconciliation...

As long as there are no calls to Wreck Reconciliation.

*Reconciliation is the process of combining the bills. Once reconciled it must go back to the house and Senate for a final approval. We shouldn't quit before the job is done.

[uponit7771]

6. on budget issues reconciliation only needs simple majorities not 60 votes, throw the price controls

...into reconciliation on budget issues with 50+1 and we win.

[BlueIdaho]

7. If they can't get it right now

What on earth makes you think they can fix it later? There is no six dimensional chess game going on here, no political Akido, no eleventh hour supra-magical rabbit out of the hat stunt in your future and there ain't no Santa neither.

The same clowns that fucked this thing up are supposed to be smart enough to fix it later?

Bless your heart...

[WeDidIt]

8. If that's their plan and they're not talking about it

They're playing nth dimensional chess.

Otherwise, they've just been playing Calvinball and the babysitter just kicked their collective asses.

[Pirate Smile]

9. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x61614

[Clio the Leo]

10. Wish we'd here more about this....

.... but then again, that would require them talking about it. lol

[Pirate Smile]

11. I know. Catch-22.

:hi:

[Clio the Leo]

13. It's enough to make you want to become a DC call girl...

... just so you can get some inside information. lol

[Clio the Leo]

12. *

[uponit7771]

14. lol

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. No, even the average Republican Senator can anticipate that move

I would be shocked if certain Senators were not already making a pledge that Democratic leadership will not pursue a Reconciliation bill a prerequisite for their cloture votes.

The way to win this is to be outfront and aggresive, making our own implied threats rather than staying stuck in a helpless victim mode subject to blackmail.

It should be made clear today that the specifics of the Reconciliation bill that will be put to a vote later will very much be determined by the fate of the seperate HCR legislation now being considered. If moderate Senators cooperate by voting to allow debate cloture on Senate legislation now, even if they ultimately vote against it on substance, they can have a seat at the table where the reconciliation bill will be drafted. Chances are such a bill then would simply add back in the public health compromises that had to be dropped to get 60 votes for cloture on regulatory reform. But if that HCR bill is stopped by a filibuster, all such prior deals would be null and void.

Instead of lowering medicare buy in to age 55, it could be lowered to 50 instead. Rather than accept the so called "level playing field" P.O. compromise, it could suddenly become more robust. Rather than limiting the pool of citizens who could qualify for the P.O as had been negotiated in the current House bill, it would be opened to all Americans, and so on.

[cry baby]

16. *whispering* I sure hope that is their plan! Shhhhhhhh.... nt