The first negotiation demand should have been give up pre-existing conditions and the....

[yourout]

ability to drop anyone or else your Anti-trust exemption is history.

Then...no Public Plan = No Mandate.

Instead they gave away everything before they even got to the bargaining table.

[TheWraith]

1. This bill eliminates pre-existing conditions and their ability to drop people. nt

[MNDemNY]

4. BUT>>>it does not preclude them from charging HUGE premiums for that coverage.

So, effectively it does not do as advertised.

[Mass]

9. Actually it does. What it does not preclude is charging EVERYBODY HUGE premiums for that coverage.

[MNDemNY]

11. And that is somehow better???

[Mass]

13. Of course not. Did I say it was?

[MNDemNY]

16. No , you did not!!!

:D

[backscatter712]

20. No, the bill mandates mostly community rating.

They can adjust rates based on your location, the size of your family, your age (unfortunately), but they cannot adjust premiums or refuse to enroll you based on medical conditions.

This alone is a very good thing. It's still in the bill.

[eridani]

23. And charging older people THREE times as much for SHIT--

--makes the whole thing worthless for my age demographic.

[AndyA]

12. They can drop coverage after a certain amount is spent each year.

From what I've been able to gather, the annual cap still remains in the bill. That means people with devastating illnesses can be forced to wait on treatment until the next year. Not good, as that's life or death in many situations.

[Mass]

15. It is supposed to be fixed, but I will wait until I see something definitive to believe it.

[AndyA]

17. I heard the White House asked for this to be addressed, but according to

everything I've seen so far, it's still in there. Premiums would be too high otherwise, since there's no competition and no cost control either.

A real piece of crap bill. :(

[Cant trust em]

2. Eliminating pre-existing conditions is something that is generally agreed on. nt

[MNDemNY]

3. In this bill they can STILL charge you a LOT more if you have ..

a pre-existing condition. A LOT more. A lot more if you are older, a LOT more if you have the audacity to USE the coverage, true, they can not deny you the privilege of buying a policy, but it does not have to be affordable. And remember there is still a CAP on annual claims. All this shit pile does is strengthen the Industry's hold on our lives, using tax payer dollars to do it. But, it fills ALL of President Obama's "criteria" . That say's alot .....about Obama's "criteria". KILL THIS BILL.

[Popular Front]

5. I support Obama's bill

Health care for all.

[MNDemNY]

6. ..It is not that at all.

you need to read more.

[Popular Front]

7. Yes it is.

I do read.

[MNDemNY]

10. hopeless.

[Popular Front]

14. Talking about the Republicans and their corporate allies? n/t

[readmoreoften]

22. Seriously. How much are you being paid? You are not answering questions. Just

repeating propaganda. Reinforcing propaganda without debate is not likely to work here. Moreover, your talking points are highly offensive.

[Kermitt Gribble]

18. Lol! Living in fantasy land?

Look!! There's Santa and the Easter Bunny riding unicorns!!! :freak:

[Zodiak]

8. This was by design

These are politicians at the national level, they KNOW how to negotiate.

In fact, they know how to do it so well that they can game the opening round to make sure the last round gets exactly what they want.....more corporate profits.

Anyone who buys the idea that the Democrats are naive on this is a mark. The kabuki theatre was for your benefit, and it apparently worked.

Single payer advocates knew this was to be outcome the second we were not invited to the table. The Democrats knew that by asking for single payer that the public option would go through....so they scrapped single payer and started with the public option.

...and now you have Leibercare, AS INTENDED.

Doubt me? Just look at who got all of the health insurance money in the last election cycle.

[rudy23]

19. This is like coming up with a strategy for the Washington Generals to beat the Harlem Globetrotters.

It 'aint the strategy, it's that they 'aint playing to win.

[FiveGoodMen]

21. "they gave away everything"

No, they took away everything. They are on that side.

There's just no room left for benefit of the doubt: The Democratic Party is helping the pukes screw us.