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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:12 PM
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"Left eases kill-bill threat."
Ok, this one contains ACTUALS opinions from people who think Obama has screwed the pooch .... so can you read it before you start screaming this time. That's all I'm asking. lol

Left eases kill-bill threat.

Left eases kill-bill threat
By Alexander Bolton - 12/16/09 08:22 PM ET

Liberal groups and labor unions have pulled back from calls to kill the Senate healthcare bill.

Left-leaning senators are coalescing behind the legislation, tailored to centrist demands, that would expand healthcare coverage to more than 30 million Americans but would neither create a government-run insurance program nor expand Medicare to people younger than 65.

House Democrats and liberal interest groups are hoping to win a few concessions in conference, which is expected to wrap up in time for Obama to tout the completed bill during his first State of the Union address in January.


House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who will participate in bicameral healthcare negotiations, said he was glad the party’s base is putting pressure on lawmakers.


"We need that left pressure,” said Waxman, who added that senators need to understand that “we’re not just going to take their bill but we’re going to work to make it better.”

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An official at one union said labor leaders were still trying to decide how they would respond publicly to the latest developments in the Senate bill.


But while labor unions are holding back support, they are not inclined to launch a campaign to scuttle the legislation.


Richard Kirsch, the national campaign manager of Healthcare for America Now, a coalition of groups including SEIU, the AFL-CIO and MoveOn.org, said the goal now is to improve the legislation in Senate-House negotiations.


“We’re looking for the conference committee to make improvements on a host of issues,” he said.



Senate Democrats have talked about a short conference with the House to speed final passage of the healthcare reform bill and give Obama something to tout at his State of the Union address. They expect to have enough votes to pass the bill through their chamber because of the concessions made to centrists.


But strong pushback from the base signals that talks between the chambers will be more complicated and time-consuming than expected.


Some leading liberals acknowledge that a government-run insurance program is unlikely to win 60 votes in the Senate, but they think many other provisions they favor in the House bill can pass the Senate.


They are pushing for Senate negotiators to accept the higher subsidies the House has set aside for people earning below 400 percent of the federal poverty level.


They would also like the Senate to reduce the tax liabilities posed to middle-class families by accepting more of the House’s plan for raising revenues, which shifts a greater share to the nation’s highest income earners.


Liberals would also like the Senate to accept the House plan for establishing a national insurance exchange. The Senate bill would set up insurance exchanges at the state —instead of the national — level.


Another demand is for the Senate to accept the employer mandate contained in the House bill, which would impose a broad requirement on businesses to provide healthcare benefits to employees.


Liberals are also calling for the Senate to accept more stringent prohibitions on insurance companies imposing coverage caps on customers and match the House proposal to expand Medicaid to cover people earning up to 150 percent of the federal poverty line.


“A lot of progressives in the House are inclined to vote no,” said Mike Lux, a political strategist for liberal groups. “If progressives bargain hard and push back, things in the healthcare bill could be improved.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/72685-left-eases-kill-bill-threat



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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:14 PM
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1. How many more of these do we need?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:15 PM
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3. As many as it takes until we achieve Message Discipline
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:16 PM
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4. You're kidding me right?
HOW many threads did I read today with the simple statement, "Kill the bill! I agree with Dr. Dean!"

..... and there's not a thing wrong with that .... but I didn't complain.

Dont MAKE me start a thread about Bo and his puppy stocking!!!! :mad:
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:17 PM
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5. Ah - your from the two wrongs make a right wing of the party...
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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7. You want the puppy thread or not? NT
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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9. It would be better than this dupe.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:20 PM
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13. What about two?
One on his puppy stocking and one on his birthday party?

(and are you having as much fun kicking this "dupe" as I am?)
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:22 PM
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14. Sure - since it seems your ego needs feeding.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:38 PM
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15. No, this thread needs kicking....
... but tell me more about my ego.

Or how evil Obama is ..... whatever.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:19 PM
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11. Thanks for kicking the thread.
News like this needs to get out.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:15 PM
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2. Good. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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6. Why do these pieces say "the left" when they mean a handful of senators?
And Frost is right. We're in godless territory when the well being of so many people is being played like a chip on a roulette table.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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8. The AFL-CIO is a handful of Senators?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:51 PM
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22. Isn't that a bit pre-mature?
"An official at one union said labor leaders were still trying to decide how they would respond publicly to the latest developments in the Senate bill."
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:18 PM
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10. It aint dead, and we're the reason.
KEEP PUSHING HARD and we'll get this thing fixed.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:20 PM
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12. That's right..those of us who are calling our Senators
and Congressman..and Congress People.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:46 PM
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16. K&R!
I think I'll kick this whenever I see it sinking. :)
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:53 PM
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17. Someone didn't tell Keith.
Or Howard.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:57 PM
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18. They will jump back on the bus
soon enough.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:08 PM
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19. A big fat K&R!
:kick:

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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:09 PM
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20. A Dozen reasons why this HCR bill is just the cadaver of the desired bill
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 11:20 PM by Garam_Masala
1. No Single Payer....only method of taking profit out of basic healthcare

2. No public option....kills every ounce of competition for the for profit health insurers

3. No expanded Medicare coverage....self explanatory

4. No drug re-importation....now why force Americans to pay 2 or 3 times our Canadian neighbors?

5. No cost controls....so they can't cancel you but they can triple your premiums!

6. No renegotiation of drug prices...sure the Big Pharma needs their Billions in profit

7. Capped annual coverage for care....is this the death panel precursor?

8. Individual mandated coverage....yap, force us into the jaws of insurance companies or we pay
annual fines or if can't pay then go to jail!

9. Anti-trust exemption for insurance companies....why why why???

10. A tax on middle class insurance plans....in the middle of a recession? wtf are they thinking??

11. Taxes that start in January, but benefits won't start until 2014....like paying monthly
payments for a car now, but delivery will be 4 years later! I bet no one will go for that deal!

12. Limits on mammograms, PSA's, tonsillectomies, etc mandated by the bureaucrats....great until you are the one facing the disease.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:38 PM
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21. For those who didn't see this..
"Richard Kirsch, the national campaign manager of Healthcare for America Now, a coalition of groups including SEIU, the AFL-CIO and MoveOn.org, said the goal now is to improve the legislation in Senate-House negotiations."


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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:52 PM
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23. I liked that part too. NT
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:56 PM
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25. They're pragmatists and
I like that about them. I hope the very best for the Bill in the Senate-HOuse Negotiations.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 AM
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26. I always liked your attitude! ;-) NT
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:55 PM
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24. Why I'm not in the kill bill brigade.
I want to see what the final bill looks like before judging whether or not it should pass.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 AM
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27. what a novel idea...
.... cant ask for more than that. ;)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:46 AM
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28. lol..yeah, that's
quite the concept.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:56 AM
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29. I thought the article would quote Dean retreating from his position
Instead, the article mention people who haven't even issued a threat at all.
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