This is a perfect analogy

[ProSense]

Listen, while I would love for all the goodies to be in the initial bill, I would say it's better than anything the other 43 Presidents were able to accomplish on this front. Considering American history, Lincoln did not end the disgusting treamment of blacks with his emancipation proclamation, it took a cool hundred or so years for congress to pass the Civil Rights bill of 1964, and the Voting Rights bill of 1965. Pass something now to get the ball rolling sooner than later.

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[Orrex]

1. I agree, with reservations. It would be nice if it were rolling in the right direction, though

Instead of rolling over the poor and the under-insured.

[ProSense]

2. Yeah, kill the bill to benefit the uninsured, right? n/t

[Orrex]

5. Who are you replying to?

Anyway, the bill has already been killed several times over.

Lieberman's bout of showy legislative necrophilia doesn't change that.

[Armstead]

3. I would not mind incremental reform -- Biut I object to making a rotten system worse

Personally, I could have moe easily accepted increnmental reform that moved in the right drection.

But this is a goddamn gift to the insurancxe industry. rewarding them for bad behavior by giving them a captive market of people who have to buy their expensive and needless product by force of law.

That is utter bullshit. It is not a starting point for anything, except further entrenching the power of insurers by eroding the freedom of citizens.Without the tradeoff of a ;public health coverage program based on service, mandates are destructive.

[ProSense]

7. "But this is a goddamn gift to the insurancxe industry. "

Something tells me this is just spewing criticism for the sake of criticism.

[jefferson_dem]

4. "You all have lost your minds"

Indeed.

It's seriously weird. Like some trouble-maker slipped something into everyone's drinks that has made them mad.

[Kalun D]

11. unvarnished truth

""Like some trouble-maker slipped something into everyone's drinks that has made them mad.""

yeah, it's called truth, via the internet

[jefferson_dem]

14. Truthiness ... more likely.

n/t

[Kalun D]

20. Yeah

"truthiness" like what's coming out of that site you link to.

yeah, we'll "tax the rich", "close gitmo", "not hire lobbyists", "end signing statements", "pull out of Iraq", "reform healthcare", (which ones did I miss?)

what's that? We won the election? uhhh, we can't tax the rich cuz it's a recession, we can't close Gitmo it's too difficult, we need signing statements(on puppetmaster orders), pull out of Iraq is taking longer than we thought, healthcare reform is too hard, we don't have a big enough majority, (besides the people that pwn me don't want it)

[Clio the Leo]

6. “Hope is faith holding out its hand in the dark.”

[Hutzpa]

16. Hope sometimes likes to sit back and watch chaos unfold.

:evilgrin:

[Cha]

8. The Bill still has life

in it to get better before it's signed sealed and delivered.

[Inuca]

9. I was just reading

and commenting in that diary a moment ago :-).

[jillan]

10. The bill provides a good foundation on which to build, but the mandate puts a huge crack in that

very foundation. Get rid of the mandate and we may have a solid structure, keep it in and the entire foundation may crumble.

How's that for an analogy?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Sideways to the OP (which is fine) the emancipation proclaimation.....

The driving force behind the Emancipation Proclamation was British sentiment. Making our intent clear to end slavery in the south, rather than reach a compromise of some sort, was meant to put moral pressure on England.

With the British textile industry and the south's cotton, and Britain having fought two wars with us in the previous few generations it seemed natural that Britain would throw in with the Confederacy. Some money people in England wanted to.

But we consistently underestimated how proud England was of having rid most of the world of slavery a generation or two earlier. Public opposition to slavery was so deep in England that she never really got that close to aligning with the Rebels. But we didn't know that for sure, hence the Proclamation.


(Typed from feeble memory so if any of this is wrong it's wrong.)

[grantcart]

15. Well it was also aimed at trying to get as many blacks working in the rebel states to go

North and undermine southern economic production.

In time they came and over 100,000 became soldiers along side another 100,000 northern freedman.

[Hutzpa]

18. That looks like the alternatives cancelling each other out.

These repugs will never give up.

[angee_is_mad]

13. Get ready for un recommends Pro

Get ready for it.

[Hutzpa]

17. Dang, the un recs runs deep

could not even cancel it out, they're even hating on Prosense.

[treestar]

19. True, it is part of history

Which is not part of the culture of instant gratification.

[Phx_Dem]

21. ...

For those of you who think compromise of any sort on health care is a sell out, think about the history of civil rights for a moment for African Americans and women suffrage and you should get the picture that you have to start soewhere.

The bill, as compromised as it will get, has a chance to help a few of our less fortunate citizens. And, even before it reaches the President's desk it will go into conference between the House and the Senate --- There is a chance that soe things might get improved.

The irrational bitterness of those standing on the sidelines including my buddy Keith Olbermann, Howard Dean, Markos, et al., is directly related to the fact that the backstabbing Joe Liebermann is in greater control of the direction than they are --- What don't they (or you who are following their calls to "KILL HE BILL" do not understand? Liebermann has and will always be in a position to force compromise because he is a Senator with a vote. Sorry, Keith, Howard, and Markos are all talk --- They could not pass their perceived version of health care reform if they had ten times the number of supporters they have now because they can't vote on anything.

Oh by the way, when did these ardent democratic supporters (especially, Keith and Markos) become single issue democrats. The economic recovery is gaining steam, unemployent is going down, the President is focusing on creating jobs, climate change and imploring banks to lend to small businesses and these clowns are talking about whether or not his decisions are reason for him to face primary challenges in 2012? If I swore, I would say WT-.

Amen.