All the deathers -- even around here -- are proving why Obama

[pnwmom]

had to release that second birth certificate this week. He needed to put all those loonies in their place before he faced the next group.

[Bicoastal]

1. And they only come out late at night, for some reason.

[tekisui]

2. Asking questions offends you?

How in the world could you not expect people to at least ask questions when top secret covert operation kills enemy number one and disappears the body in a matter of hours?

[Very_Boring_Name]

3. All Glenn Beck does is ask questions. n/t

And trust me, the deathers are just as nutty as Beck.

[Avant Guardian]

45. He also breathes

Better start holding your breath, else your just like him.

Oh, and n/t means 'No Text' BTW.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

4. because the answer is simple: "MARTYRDOM"

... and like I asked a FB friend.

WOULD YOU RECOGNIZE a dead body of a 54 yo Arabic man riddled with bullet holes?

WHAT YOU WANT TO POKE THE BODY WITH A STICK?

[pnwmom]

6. And who was shot in the eye. n/t

[tekisui]

7. I don't want to do anything. I don't need to see a picture or a video.

But I do understand people asking questions. The nature of the operation and the way it was done will raise a lot of questions.

[Tx4obama]

10. The nature of the operation and the way it was done (?) What is that supposed to mean?

the way it was done was the right way - they got him and then gave him a burial at sea - end of story.
The special ops mission was practiced beforehand and then executed.
It was watched live by President Obama and many others in the room situation room at the WH yesterday, and it was video taped.
What about what happened should 'raise a lot of questions' ?

[tekisui]

24. It was a top secret op, done during the night and the

body was disappeared in hours. That is what I mean.

Sure, it was watched by officials in the government. They know what happened. No one else does.

[kick-ass-bob]

38. Were we supposed to announce the mission in real time

and broadcast it on CSPAN?

Because that (if that) is the only way some people will believe it.

[tekisui]

39. Of course not.

[Dokkie]

43. "done during the night"?

You know Pakistan is like 14-17hrs ahead of the US( ET), so if he died at US night time then it cannot be a night raid

[Bgno64]

46. Yes, and after the lies that got us into these wars

we are now supposed to accept the government's story completely at its face without asking any questions.

Come on, DU. I know you want to support a Democratic president and all, but after all these years, after all these lies - you're REALLY just accepting what you're told?

[pnwmom]

12. But the questions were very quickly answered, and yet they keep coming.

The body was prepared for burial by Muslim men according to Muslim tradition and beliefs. The same beliefs meant that the body needed to be buried in less than 24 hours. The same beliefs allowed for burial at sea, and even specified what sort of burial container should be used. And the decision to bury at sea was made for two reasons: we were unlikely to find another country that would be willing to receive the body and bury it in such a short period of time (we couldn't make the arrangement ahead of time because as few people as possible knew of the plans that were being made); and burying the body at sea meant the burial site couldn't be turned into a shrine for his followers.

[tekisui]

25. The questions were answered by those who benefit from the official

story. So, naturally the questions will keep coming. I learned long ago you can't trust the US government, the pentagon or the CIA.

Like I said. I accept the story. The boogeyman is dead and let's use that as justification to get the fuck out of AfPak.

Others will need proof or they will never buy the story and its holes.

[pnwmom]

5. Asking questions isn't the problem. It's drawing illogical,

tinfoil-hatted conclusions that's the problem.

Muslim tradition requires burying the body within 24 hours, and Obama wanted to respect their tradition. He also didn't want the terrorist's place of burial to end up becoming some kind of shrine.

They have photos, DNA, and other evidence proving Bin Laden's identity. They didn't need to keep the body around and needlessly offend religious Muslims who would want the body buried promptly. And I hope they never release the photos, because that would needlessly inflame people.

[readmoreoften]

18. You're making a load of ridiculous assumptions. We have plastered the dead bodies of many Al Qaida

on our newspapers. Or Saddam's hanging and the dead bodies of his sons. I find it incredible that no one bothered to photograph the body of Bin Laden and I find it slavish and unthinking that people refuse to entertain simple questions. I think your rationale is silly and partisan. Saying that Obama's birth certificate isn't real when you've seen copies is ludicrous. Saying that you don't trust that your government actually assassinated someone according to their PR statement when they disappeared the body is called thinking critically and impartially about a situation.

There are many reasons that they might not dispose of a body other than the body being an imposter. For example: natural death, abused corpse, etc.

[phleshdef]

32. You lose the argument in your second sentence.

There ARE photographs of the body and their release is being mulled. This administration does THINK about how the arab world will react and weighs how to handle that before going off half cocked and releasing photos of a dude with his brains splattered all over the ground.

[Avant Guardian]

47. I think they should have grinded him up for dog food

But, hey opinions are like assholes...

[Bgno64]

48. That's really convenient, isn't it?

We (the government) did what we said we did and no, we can't release any proof and you, the public, simply have to accept it all and if you don't then you're obviously a conspiracy theorist.

Oh-kayyy...

[MrModerate]

11. So, you'd prefer they had a public viewing? n/t

[tekisui]

23. I never said that.

I said I can understand the questioning of the official story. If I had to guess, I think they will release the pictures at some point as more call for verification.

[MrModerate]

41. The burial at sea was tidy, elegant, and could pass for respectful.

As far as conspiracy theorists, they're the largest growing population in America. Soon they'll outnumber lawyers.

[krabigirl]

14. Yep, anyone who questions official doctrine is branded as nuts.

I'd rather be a nut :)

[Ikonoklast]

31. No, being willfully obtuse offends me.

There is nothing, and by that I mean NOTHING that this president will ever do to satisy you, so these 'questions' are just more of the same.

[tekisui]

34. We can have a discussion without your misplaced personal attack.

I think Obama and the US sis good. I believe Osama is dead. I just understand why people are asking valid and reasonable questions. There are holes and unknowns in the story.

[Ikonoklast]

36. If you think that was a personal attack on you, I am sorry.

But if the shoe fits, one usually bought it for himself.

[phleshdef]

33. You know good and well that most of these questions are loaded with accusations.

And with the worst kind of cynicism. This isn't just innocent question asking. There is something really criminal implied by them.

[tekisui]

35. There are also valid and reasonable questions that

people are asking. There is still a lot to this story that hasn't been told. And a lot of holes in the official version.

There are those engaging in kooky theories, but there are also those with honest and reasonable questions. Lumping them together is an attempt to block discourse and transparency.

[Honeycombe8]

40. So....what're your questions that haven't been answered?

If you want to know why the body was dumped/buried in the sea so quickly...that's been explained: Muslim faith likes bodies to be buried same day/within 24 hours.

What proof it was OBL? Well, they have a vial of tested DNA; the result was that 99.9% that was OBL. Plus, facial recognition technology verified him (so I heard on TV). Plus, people recognition of him, including the Seal who shot him, and one of OBL's wives. (He WAS an unusual looking man. Not one who'd be hard to spot in a crowd. 6'4", wide distinctive looking nose, large droopy dark eyes w/undereye circles, graying hair, dark skin, etc.)

Why not have more people view the body? We don't know exactly who all viewed the body. But even if MORE had viewed the body (I was thinking about members of Congress, for example), who would believe THEM, if they didn't believe the army of people and DNA evidence already? Plus, depending on who did the viewing, you'd open up the possibility of someone with an agenda hinting that maybe it wasn't OBL. It does get more complicated, when you have tons of people viewing a body for identification. It's not really necessary, for identification purposes.

What are your other questions?

[Bgno64]

49. I want proof

This is all so utterly convenient.

We have no body - and we "buried" it in a place it can't possibly be recovered and examined. Trust us!

We have a "vial" of DNA and have tested it. You don't have the capacity to do that so you'll just have to trust us...

We have pics but we can't possibly release them because it would inflame Islamic passions, TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM, so don't ask any questions...

Show. Me. Some. Actual. Proof.

Show, stop telling.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

51. Because they've been answered.

Muslims must be buried within 24 hours and no country wanted to take his body.

DNA samples and facial recognition (technological and personal, including by family members) sealed the deal. What else do you need?

[krabigirl]

53. Yes, it does offend people when one questions official doctrine, sad but true.

If this happened under dubya's watch, with all of the murky details, most of this board would have been questioning it, and the repukes would have been saying how we are unpatriotic, looney leftists, and so on.

[Cherchez la Femme]

57. and now

Democrats on a Progressive board are saying how we are unpatriotic, looney leftists, and so on.


this has been very educational.

[coccom]

55. Why would you expect to see a body?

Did you see photos of the bodies of any of the hundreds of Talib commanders who have been assasinated in FATA/Pakistan/Afghanistan?

[hlthe2b]

8. Skinner has been deleting them during the day...

But, there seems not to always be consistency among the mods in dealing with them. Perhaps he will post a thread clarifying the policy and make it a bit easier on the mods and more clear for the rest of us?

I understand questioning and even doubts based on remaining unanswered questions, but many are overtly accusing the administration of perpetrating a hoax. :shrug:

[Name removed]

9. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[joshcryer]

16. Agree, going to have to have official policy on this if it continues.

If it dies down then no harm no foul, but if it keeps on, daily threads about the issue, it needs to be nipped in the bud. DU as a whole isn't a conspiracy site.

[readmoreoften]

19. Yes, that would be ANARCHY wouldn't it? If people, like, posted what they thought worthy to post.

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. We have the 911 forum for conspiracy shit. Apparently, the Admins think..

that's an appropriate forum for such crap, and I have to agree. Anarchy or not, you have no "free speech" rights on a privately held message board.

[LanternWaste]

29. Even worse if those threads were relegated to the appropriate forums...

"Yes, that would be ANARCHY wouldn't it..."

Even worse if those threads were relegated to the appropriate forums...

[Cherchez la Femme]

58. LOL

[TheKentuckian]

44. So what? The government isn't trustworthy and hasn't been in decades.

Nothing gets this country in deeper shit than unquestioning acceptance of "official stories" and partisan rah-rah or calling folks kooks isn't going to change that.

We are better off with some level of cynicism and a few absurd theories than in robot fashion, playing follow the leader. We certainly are in no position as a people to be worried more about tarnishing accomplishments than the truth, and I think that it is at the root of the fervor for first there be no discussion of the revelry and the feelings of those who reacted differently and now that there be no questions about what happened.

Doubts and questions should be the response to about any government story or proposal no matter which party is in power the lies come from both directions from to "Domino theory" to Viet Nam to "Trickle Down" to "free trade" to most favored nation to China to Iraq to the bailouts to Health Care Reform to welfare deform to dismantling education.

Best practice is guilty till proven innocent with these pawns of the wealthy.

[johnaries]

56. Perhaps you should post this in the Ask the Administrators

forum. Personally, I think they should all be relegated to the Conspiracy forums, but an Admin statement is not a bad idea.

[dkf]

13. Yup.

[joshcryer]

15. K&R

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Birthers. Truthers. Tenthers. & now we have Deathers?

:rofl:

I can't keep up. I've been impressed at the speed at which Skinner & crew have been locking, moving, and/or deleting that shit. I can understand newbies coming here to stir things up, but it's the long time posters that surprise me most. Though, in the case of the long time posters, it's mostly coming from the usual WH critics, and easily dismissed.

[Bonobo]

20. Reminds me of kindergarten. Throwing names around like that instead of discussing.

It is brain-dead and lame.

[dionysus]

26. hey. why is that little cartoon feller kicking obama and biden again? are you a Deather? them's....

them's fightin' woids! put em up!!1!!!


:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. LOL. I'm not a "deather", but I just learned Ron Paul is...

:rofl:

[dionysus]

30. that little guy is still kicking obama and biden. where did i put my dueling pistols....

:P

[vaberella]

42. What's a "tenther"? n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. Has something to do with Tenth Amendment? Someone may know exactly

what their issue is. I have to admit, I've just heard the term in passing. Sorry....

[DCKit]

22. As much as I'd like to agree, the LFBC is just another step to far grander conspiracy theories.

Remember, Obama's stalling gave the Bilderbergers, Masons and Knights Templar nearly two extra years to produce a plausible document. :sarcasm:

I can't wait to see what they've done with his Harvard transcripts and financial aid forms.

[Peacetrain]

28. You know you would think they would just take a breath.. but nooooo

[AtomicKitten]

37. The immediate kneejerk response for some here was to call it a hoax.

I will never forget that I read the Deather theory here first. :puke:

[krabigirl]

52. Lol, the two things are completely different.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

54. Fuck a Deather in the eye!

[Cherchez la Femme]

59. are you proud of yourself for saying that?

about anybody?


This place is Out. Of. Control.