So, the one man who is most responsible for getting Obana and many of the Democrats elected to

[IsItJustMe]

begin with, Howard Dean, gets thrown under the bus, while people like Joe Lieberman, who actively campaigned for McCain, gets held out as a person we should listen to when it comes to health care reform.

This is just getting to strange for me. And now Obama is using GWB scare tactics saying that the gov't will go broke if the POS bill is not passed immediately.

Something bad wrong here. It smells. I don't like it. I am taking notes.

[vi5]

1. It was bad enough when Dean didn't get a post...

..or even an advisory position in the administration at all. Same thing with Krugman. That made me raise an eyebrow but as an enthusiastic Obama supporter and campaigner I let it go and trusted.

No more. I'm done. This is pathetic.

[jefferson_dem]

2. Oh, stop with the stupid "thrown under the bus" metaphor.

There is no bus. There are only opinions, attitudes ... and high emotion.

[IsItJustMe]

4. Lets call it betrayal then to a person who worked their ass off to get these people elected.

[tularetom]

3. I keep saying it

We voted for FDR. We got Clinton.

[roguevalley]

20. we got less. I don't think Obama knows how to kick something through

the congress. he seems to think standing around looking professorial and elegant is enough. sad.

[OHdem10]

5. The DLC reigns and Obama is doing the DLC playbook.

Remember Welfare Reform.

[IsItJustMe]

9. Yes I do. I also remember that nasty things happened under the Clinton administration for Social

benifieries. The age limits were increased and the formulas were changed on who was to recieve it.

I have always found it sort of odd that the Republicans talk mean about these social programs, but it seems that these programs are most negatively effected when Democrats get in their.

I would suspect that Medicare and Social Serurity is next on the chopping block. Your point is well taken.

[tblue37]

14. Because only Nixon could go to China? nt

[Laelth]

6. Your suspicions are well justified.

But it is extremely important to the insurance industry that this bill (or something like it) passes.

Here's why: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/39">California will probably pass single-payer on its own in 2011.

:dem:

-Laelth

[BeyondGeography]

7. Next thing you know, Obama will be teh Bush himself!

[treestar]

8. So now Dean is the one who gets the credit

What about the hundreds of progressives who claim they worked so hard? :rofl:

[IsItJustMe]

10. No doubt about it, it's a team effort. But in my opinion, Dean, with his 50 state stratagy,

something that the Democrats were not even considering at the time, made all of the difference in the world.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Never mind Plouffe, Axelrod...or Barack himself.

Seems it's Dean who has really become "The One".

[LiberalEsto]

12. It's because Rahm hates Dean.

and Rahm gets what Rahm wants.

[Phx_Dem]

17. And a (former) Dean lover, I'm beginning to understand why. n/t

[Moochy]

24. yes.

And the liberals, well, we knew he would.

[Kokonoe]

13. Lieberman will be out on his ass in 2012,

probably before the bill takes effect.

We have time to make a stand with no compromises. Lets drag it through a election primary and see what happens.

[Jennicut]

18. Lieberman has pissed off a lot of Dem's here in CT but he will probably run as a Rethug.

He has not ruled it out, that says it all to me.
I love Obama but he should kick him out of his chairmanship.

[uponit7771]

15. My pen has been writing for a second or two, I don't think Obama or his admin threw rolled Dean thou

[Phx_Dem]

16. Dean was in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM responsible for getting Obama elected.

None at all. He was responsible for getting alot of other Dems, but absolutely not the President. That honor goes to David Plouffe (along with Obama and Axelrod).

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. Plouffe and Axelrod copied their entire campaign strategy from Dean's 2003-04 run

The only reason they could go further with it, is BECAUSE of Howard Dean's 50 state strategy. And the fact that Obama was not under constant attack from the DLC, as Dean was during his campaign.

[Divine Discontent]

21. I stopped taking notes when it became quite apparent whose side they were on....

you'll throw the notes up in the air once you get about 10!

I can't wait to find out if Sen. Dorgan's amendment to the HCB about drugs from outside the US was thwarted by the WH itself!

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. And Dean is EFFECTIVE - something Obama is not yet.

O. should be taking some notes of his own. But no, he's dissing the guy who knows how to get things done.

Dean's "irrelevant"? Ha! If so, then O.'s a figment of his own imagination.

[Moochy]

23. Note the Dean Bashers

<1000 posts most of them, they are mostly sock puppets. Of course I have many of these assholes on ignore so there may be more less sock puppety dean bashing going on.