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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:37 PM
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Obama: Political Ideology's Enemy
One more posting for the breach... from June.


According to political analysts, journalists, aspiring intellectuals and online ideologues, Pres. Barack Obama is America's greatest neo-conservative socialist - a limp-wristed war hawk with a predilection for low-key grandiosity.

He is all things to all people who won't accept anything but that which mirrors their world views. He is their ideological Svengali, capable of the most liberal and most conservative feats all at once.

Obama has never - nor Americans have never permitted him to - define himself in his own terms. At the end of the Bush Administration, the nation had not faced such a dispirited list of challenges since the Great Depression. Every morning, Americans awoke to more news that further reminded them that the American Century had most certainly ended. Our high standard of living met declining wages, enormous debt, crimped access to credit, layoffs, and home foreclosures. Overseas the roundly unpopular Iraq War challenged foreign relations and American credibility abroad.

Obama, himself a multi-racial figure with a complex personal story, became a new symbol around which Americans gathered. No longer did the face of the predictable white male suffice when so much had seemed to go so wrong. Every nuanced layer of Obama became an American's dream for the particular hurt or hurts he or she was experiencing: that needed job, those out of control credit cards, that lost house, or that needless war in Iraq.

Obama became the mirror into which so many reflected so much during the campaign. The messages that Obama spoke in return did not depend on strict political ideology, but on "what works" - a pragmatism that challenged the political tyranny of red versus blue, us versus them, urban versus rural. Many Americans responded with their votes.

For more than thirty years, American politics has been trapped in the discursive battles between two organized ideological institutions. Their mutual goals have been to separate the wheat from the chaff, telling those who were willing to listen which symbols to reject and which to idolize with keenly analyzed talking points.

Americans have grown to accept this hegemonic structure as simply "the way things are" in politics. The quickly inflated media atmosphere provided multiple avenues through which ideologues could communicate with their followers. Sunday political talk shows, not too distinct from sporting events aired the same day, became arenas in which the followers could check in for that week's "winning" talking points.

Obama defies this culture. His presidency during this tumultuous era is a transcendent moment, and arguably a necessary one. Staunch political idealism has controlled American political discourse for far too long, and the result has been a mish-mash of unworkable ideas that have done nothing but foment discord between the two competing party ideologies, with those in the middle left wanting.

Pragmatism, however, has its critics. Some social observers see pragmatism as weak-kneed and far too compromising. In an opinion piece in the Christian Science Monitor, Fulbright Scholar and law student Jacob Bronsther writes:

"Philosophical pragmatists are anti-intellectual philosophers. They shiver at the thought of Descartes poking his fire, wondering if life is all a dream. They believe there are no answers to purely theoretical questions (such as whether we have free will), because there exists no pure realm of reason. There is only the external world where people flourish and suffer every day. As such, a philosophical or ethical theory's validity depends entirely upon its impact on human conduct and experience."

Bronsther's "realm" must be quite narrow. No where, in this nation's society, have ideals met their end. Reason governs pragmatism, and never does it deny the existence of the abstract and theoretical. Obama's pragmatism is one that borrows - as postmodernism borrows from modernity - those solutions that best fit the problems at hand from the world of theory. No solution is perfect, but Obama is not one to strive for perfection. He will, however, strive to perfect the best solution.

Nor is pragmatism anti-intellectual. In no other frame of thought are intellectuals required the most but in pragmatic policy-making. Solutions come from the clashing of intellectual dreams, as J.S. Mill explains, but this is not what the political ideologues of today wish to see. Rather, they wish to see intellectual domination - a complete effacing of the other side's ideas. This is the well-rooted weed that Obama's pragmatism tills.

As ideologues clamor to define Obama's symbolism, those in the middle writhe in disgust over the ill-begotten tea parties and self-righteous rants a la Bill Maher. Obama will not become an ideological warrior for the left or for the right. He will, however, make the best choices he can in his role as president.

And if, by 2012, the ideologues achieve their goal of defining him as the political persona non grata, don't expect him to hem and haw at his rejection. Expect him to return to Illinois, his head down and Michelle at his side, wishing he had more chances to accomplish a few more goals, ideologies be damned.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:04 PM
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1. It's gonna be a long 3 years.
I wish him all the best, but he's driving me crazy. This is what I was afraid of but hoping would not be.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:15 PM
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2. It breaks my heart for so many millions of us who were stupid enough to hope.
Suckers. We were all suckers.

Now we're REALLY MAD suckers. We need to start a new party, and run Howard Dean, Eliot Spitzer, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, Grayson, Boxer, Lee, etc....any person who actually gives a damn about putting the corporations in their proper place and working for the PEOPLE.

I've had it. I'm calling ALL senators & reps, and writing letters, telling them I'm going to work my butt off getting rid of them in the primaries, and going door to door to get some honest people elected.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:19 PM
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3. Centrism is an ideology
And the ideology is corporatism.

The "centrists" have all demanded that we turn the HCR into something that effectively helps very few and shackles the rest of us with an unregulated industry from cradle to grave.

All of the compromise has come from the left, ALL of it.

Sorry, the ideologues I see are the corporatists and the conservatives, and it is not "pragmatic" to give in to their ever-growing demands.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:24 PM
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4. What Zodiak said. I am tired of being lectured by "realistic pragmatic" centrists standing for
nothing but submitting to corporate profits above all.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM
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7. Pragmatic is just another word for sell out. n/t
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:25 PM
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5. Ignoring the will of the people.
It couldn't be clearer - this administration gets its marching orders of Wellpoint, Goldman Sachs, and Exxon Mobile.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM
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6. I'd like to address this conflation between centrism and pragmatism.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM by Writer
Because I think it's often over-simplified. Centrism is very much ideological, because it works within the dichotomy between conservatism and liberalism. Pragmatism, on the other hand, transcends (political) dichotomies by cherry-picking the most workable ideas, not paying any attention to what side of the political spectrum those ideas came from. UNLIKE centrism, he is eschewing the totalistic thinking that comprises the right and left. This is where I think people confuse workable ideas for centrism. Obama isn't trying to establish a middle-ground ideology, he's trying to piece together a solution that is not only politically viable (that will actually get passed) but is also a workable plan. The fact is he simply doesn't care what ideological form it takes. His question is: What works?
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:37 PM
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9. The problem is he's a people pleaser - not a pragmatist.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM by BlueIdaho
Over and over again you see him acting and reacting to people and situations in order to get people to like him. In the end, its not good legislation he wants its good feelings - peace at any price. He needs a good therapist.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM
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10. Put in a simplistics
manner, centrist pander and lose their position while pragmatist get results.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:52 PM
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13. Well I'd focus more on the means than the ends...
I guess if you're putting it in terms of real politics, centrists endeavor to compromise and pragmatists aim for a workable solution. Whether they get there is up in the air.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:58 PM
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14. His question is: What works for his corporate overlords?
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 PM
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27. +1.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM
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18. +1
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM
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8. Reading your post,
which is an excellent read by the way, leads me into these puzzles that have
been bothering me for awhile;

Which one from the list below would you suggest is superior to the other?

Knowledgeable

Educated

Intellectual

and

Intelligence

bearing in mind some of these words somehow share similar definition.



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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:49 PM
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12. It's hard for me to ignore such an interesting question.
Let me break it down this way:

Knowledgeable: To me this implies that some sort of action occurred to achieve this knowledge. But, operating within an Enlightenment framework, I would argue that individual knowledge is sociologically produced (Marx) and not individually discovered (German Idealism). So I'd have to argue that knowledge is produced through practical human activity - but not mechanistically. The abstract and the material exist in the same realm.

Educated: Well, our educational system is highly rationalized and structured. Knowledge can be attained this way, however, despite the limitations of that structure.

Intellectual: I'm not sure if this is meant as an adverb (being intellectual) or as a noun (an intellectual). This term seems to be addressing an action, perhaps an intellectual praxis, assuming that it's leading to an end of some sort. Or it's simply a state of being a thoughtful person. I don't know enough about the purpose of this term to be able to say anything definitive.

Intelligence: I think one can look at this term idealistically or materially. This is referring to a state of being - to someone's innate nature. I can see it as one-half of a person's identity, with the other half being a person's social history. Or I can refer it in the spirit of German Idealism, which is simply the state of the rational human mind having undergone analytical inquiry.


So ... to be honest, I really can't value any one term over the other. They are all different states of the same nature. I'm sorry, but I can't provide you with a solid answer.

Thanks for the interesting exercise, though!
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:52 PM
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24. Thank you Sir kindly
but it really does boggles the mind because imho when it comes to defining characteristics
from self prism, we tend to express our opinion from those foundation intertwined with our
religious beliefs.

What an enlightenment though, but I could see where some might make the mistake of using
experience to analyze those terms, intellectual can be defined by a noun or adverb depending
on the situation at hand, but it gets tricky you see, as one might misconstrued the term
entirely.

You are not alone in being baffled by trying to find the superior term, but it makes for
good discussion and can always give you an idea as to the standpoint of an individual writer,
excluding you ofcourse....:)
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LastNaturalist Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:39 PM
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11. If he can end ridiculous left/right bullshit in favor of a clear delineation....
between progression and regression then he's a damn American saint.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:00 PM
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15. Your frame is still flawed.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:04 PM by Prism
I'll try to trace my disagreements point by point.

- The reason the President is seen as a kind of ideological svengali is because his policies are a mish-mash of different views. As a centrist, this is to be expected. With his escalation in Afghanistan, he places his military policy firmly under the sway of neoconservative influences. Escalation and war for years to get a firm grip on an entire region of the world is wholly neoconservative policy. However, on health care, conservatives believe the President is angling for single-payer or a government run system. They see this as a socialist impulse. (I would note the fact the President is failing in this regard on HCR is not dimming the conservative fear of it).

- This brings us to point two. There is a default idea that because the President is a centrist, willing to pull from a number of disparate ideologies to make policy, this kind of moderation is automatically a good in and of itself. "He is no ideologue," people are able to declare. "Pragmatism is the order of the day." Perhaps, but his policy choices, no matter what their origin, are not good ones in many regards. Bipartisanship fetishism can erode good policies as surely as radicalism. Sometimes splitting the difference will result in a worse policy than if he had simply adopted the "ideological view". There is no question whatsoever that single-payer would reduce costs and give meaningful care to tens of millions of Americans who so desperately need it. However, politically, the President chooses centrism and ends up giving us grievous policy.

- President Obama has severely misread two factors in his term. First, that Americans weren't so polarized that a little bit of bipartisan centrism couldn't bring us back from our respective ideological brinks. This is a large error in his thinking. There was no reset button pushed by virtue of his election. Both sides wouldn't simply start over once he entered office. We all move forward with the wounds we've carried for so long.

His second mistake is that he has overestimated the power of his charisma. This President is one who relies on his telegenic, calming presence to the point of self-compromise. Note the number of prime time speeches he gives whenever he perceives a political problem. He believes his mere presence and oratory has similar power to the nature of his policy. However, when you look at the great orators in history, you'll find they saved their unique gifts for truly meaningful moments. They gave their speeches and then worked hard to make sure the words matched the moment, that the right policy followed. From Lincoln to Elizabeth I, you'll see masters of rhetoric bust out their big guns when they truly needed it and truly meant it. Unfortunately, the President has squandered his gift. He has used it too often and has often used it only to let the policy expressed fizzle out ignominiously. Health care reform is a great example of this. The American people are being anesthetized to this politician's particular gift, and when that starts happening, the policies themselves are going to increasingly control reactions to him. His policies have to be that much better to continue garnering the political support he customarily enjoys. The more the policies seem to grow worse with every speech, the more his gift of rhetoric will rebound upon him. Now, when he speaks, more and more of his own base are thinking, "Oh great, here comes another load of bullshit."

This is devastating to a politician who has gotten so far in no small part to his great charisma.

- The President need not be an ideological warrior, but he must be the custodian and defender of sound policy. The anger and discontent he faces are not because ideologues will not bend. He is now becoming the victim of his own terrible choices. On health care, on Wall Street, on war, on jobs, on civil rights and constitutional liberties. It is not our projections on him, but his own projection of self as a uniting, healing figure by way of bipartisanship that hampers his administration. It is his idea that he can split the differences and the horrid policies that result that place him increasing trouble. There is saying that goes "When you try to please everyone, you will find that you have pleased no one."

No one more exemplifies that kind of mistaken approach more than this President at this point in time.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:00 PM
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16. He claims to be 'faith based' and I wonder how you explain
a pragmatic realist saying that because of his belief in an invisible deity and slavery promoting ancient writings, he is compelled to hold discriminatory and bigoted views about some minorities? Is he a pragmatic man of faith, or a faithful pragmatist, or is he claiming whatever ideology fits the day?
He's not a pragmatist, he is a situational ethicist. And one of the more ideological politicians in memory.
His Christian proclamations do not fit in with the 'realist' routine. He cites dogma to rationalize bigotry. An ideological prejudice.
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:21 PM
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17. This may be the most disgusting thing I have ever read on DU.
I've seen many many attempts at rationalization, but this very thread is the epitome of a creepy, nauseating, obscene effort of deification of a politician.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:33 PM
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19. A person cannot be without ideology any more than a room can be without temperature, or more ...
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:35 PM by JVS
precisely, than a day can be without weather, since ideology is more complicated than the one-dimensional example of temperature.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:36 PM
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20. We were suckers. We got punk'd.
I wish it had taken a bit longer for us to figure this out, since the next three years will almost certainly be filled with OPs like this one.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:45 PM
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21. you must love Lieberman even more
maybe Obama could join Lieberman's "non-ideology" party. :party:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:47 PM
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22. You mean the "non-ideology" of being conservative but not willing to own up to it?
I thought the normal reaction to that was to just call yourself a libertarian and keep voting republican, but I guess new coping mechanisms have been found.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:51 PM
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23. Obama never defined what "what works" was
all we really got were a bunch of slogans -

this is bs -

"Obama defies this culture. His presidency during this tumultuous era is a transcendent moment, and arguably a necessary one. Staunch political idealism has controlled American political discourse for far too long, and the result has been a mish-mash of unworkable ideas that have done nothing but foment discord between the two competing party ideologies, with those in the middle left wanting."

Obama's "pragmatism" has bought us nothing but more of a "mish-mash of unworkable ideas"...



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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:53 PM
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25. A so-called "mish-mash" that's actually making its way through the legislative process. n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM
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26. it's hardly signed, sealed, and delivered
you can crow about it then.

or wail.
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