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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:09 PM Original message |
The Obama Administration wants US troops to stay in Iraq past the Dec 31 deadline |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's a good thing |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Retiring or not, he is part of the Obama Administration and |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I'm not even sure if we can call it an embassy anymore |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Why would Gates urge Iraq to extend the stay of US troops? |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Why do you consider the last gasps of Gates=the admin's position? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Gates is Obama's defense secretary |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. That doesn't mean he speaks for the President. Gates also wanted 60,000+ |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. So, in other words, Obama Administration officials don't really speak for the Obama Administration |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Unless in front of a comittee...they are independent people who come up with their own ideas. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. So, in other words, Obama Administration officials don't really speak for the Obama Administration? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
94. So .................... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Unless, of course, the individual does or says something great. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
91. Aye? Hardly...I stand only by what the President says. If O confirms then yeah it's fact. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
92. Why are we going in a circular discussion? Why is it so hard to grasp? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Gates said something very similar 7 months ago..... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
100. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Bookmarking for Dec. 31 when we can count the number of US troops |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. what's that thumbs down thingie? some kind of fist? time for some kickboxin! |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Unrec. And your use of the "bring them home" thread for this purpose is disgusting. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Get over your disgust. We still have 47,000 in Iraq. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
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Joe NoWay (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. All that was ever needed was Seal Teams 1-500 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. Misleading OP headline. It's soon-to-be ex-Defense Sec. Gates opinion, not the WH or Pres. Obama's. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I should have known. These old guys---whenever they're out they talk more. n/t |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
17. No surprise here. We're still occupying Germany, Japan and Korea and those wars ended decades ago. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I hate to tell you this, but the two Koreas still technically are at war |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. We are now flat broke and can't afford the military adventures |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
95. Big difference............ |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. Gates is not Obama. Obama makes the decision on staying or not. And Obama said we're out.n/t |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Why on Earth.... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Panetta said, "I think we have to reveal to the rest of the world..." |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Did you read the first article? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Uh...I don't listen to "behind the scenes" stuff---because that's based on rumors and assumptions. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Gates has been saying the same thing for a while now.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #30 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. lol! Wrong again. Apples and oranges. Gates wasn't expressing his personal opinion in your quote. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
31. This is not official US policy.. its a comment by Gates.. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. The OP is conflating soon-to-be retiring Gates' personal opinion w/administration policy. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Bullshit. Gates spoke in his official capacity and Maliki is acting. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Bet you a 50 buck donation to DU Obama keeps his word on this. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Easy bet. I'll take it. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Obama's commitment is this.. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
73. Unfortunately, I look to already be winning this: |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. We shall see.. I still think Obama will be good to his word on this.. |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Get ready to................... |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Are we still at war in Germany and Japan? Because we still have troops there. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Exactly. And don't forget Korea. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The Koreas are still officially at war. Not the best example to use. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Not in reality, though. Furthermore, we are not at war with North Korea. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I am talking about troop deployment, as Obama promised. |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Obama promised to end the Iraq War, and that's what he's doing. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. So, are you suggesting that when Obama said point blank |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. If the Iraqi's want all troops out, they will be out. If they don't, they won't. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. You finally seem to understand. The promise is conditional |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Conditional based on what the Iraqi's want. Why is that surprising? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. It isn't. It is par with the function of US military. Wars without end. |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. I ask again. Is there currently war in Germany or Japan? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I say again, that is not what this thread or debate is about. |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
97. A question............... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Prove it. Quote a WH press release that states the same policy decision as Gates' personal opinion |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. How do you know I'm not similarly concerned? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Where's your proof? You only offer more empty rhetoric = "bullshit" re: what Gates really means? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. The Pentagon spokesperson said |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. seld-delete |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. lol! That is completely different than what the OP claims in the misleading headline. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The spokesperson said the door is open if the Iraqis want it. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Not what the OP headline says. Where's the proof that Pres. Obama "wants" troops to stay past 2011? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. To be fair, relabeling combat troops as non-combat troops, while |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. The correct term, minus the snide implication, is "re-assigning" which is a different duty mission. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Did you see this? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Yes, I did. I have replied to you already. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
38. lol is ANYONE surprised? lol nt |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
42. deadlines are a living, breathing concept... they're FLEXIBLE!!!!!! |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
45. Unrec |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. What do you mean Gates isn't in charge anymore? |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. His retirement date is set. His replacement is selected. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. So that fact that Gates has been talking about US troops staying past the deadline means nothing? |
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Eagle Mall (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Gates has said alot of things. He doesn't get to make the final call, though. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. How true. Gates wanted to send in drones to get OBL but Pres. Obama made the final "gutsy call" |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Also, the new chairman of the joint chiefs said the same thing today |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Bullshit. Quote him. Did he say exactly what you claim in your OP headline? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
72. The US just deployed 300 combat troops for another year! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Read your own article, tekisui. 250 troops will play an advisory role ONLY. Quotes -> |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So. They are still a combat brigade and will be there for ONE YEAR. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Wrong. You really didn't bother reading the article or my quotes. Substitute "could" for "will". |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. No outrage here. Just watching the predictable unfold. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Does your crystal ball do lottery tickets, too? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. You left of assist. What do you think assist means? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. That's ludicrous. lol! Prove it. So far, you have proven none of your claims. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Yep. And I stand by it. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:51 PM Original message |
You "stand by" your completely unproven & unfounded claim aka. bullshit. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
101. lol. Bless your blinded little heart. |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. That is exactly how.................... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
99. Read your own quote. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Another shocking development |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. How is re-assigning 250 combat troops to an advisory role a "shocking development"? |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
90. It sounds like a pretty weak and conditional statement by Gates |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. it's about Iran |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. The neocons, no |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
103. Obama is acting like cowboy Bush? |
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