Lay Off Howard Dean. He's Dead Right About This Bill.

[Yavin4]

Ever since the man came on the national scene in 2003, he has been dead right about EVERYTHING. He was pilloried in 2004 for his anti-war stance on Iraq. I remember his lone voice of dissent when he stated that the capturing of Saddam Huessein didn't make a difference, and he was attacked by Joe Lieberman. Guess what. He was dead right then, and he's right now.

Throwing millions of Americans onto the mercy of the giant helath insurance industry is nothing short of pure horror. This bill will bankrupt working class Americans, and it may spell the end of the Democratic party entirely. When Obama signs the Joe Lieberman/Max Baucus giveaway to big health insurance, then the Democrats will OWN ALL of the problems associated with buying health insurance from these jackals. Every rate increase. Every denial of coverage. Every higher deductible will become the full property of the Democratic party.

When Obama signs this bill, the historic FDR coalition which nutured and developed by successive Democratic presidents like Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton will crumble forever. This bill violates a trust that the American working class has placed with the Democratic party for almost 100 years.

Howard Dean is right.

[Justitia]

1. Amen on all counts. -eom

[dkf]

2. Holy cow. We will be pinned with every abusive action the insurance companies make

Because we will have forced everyone to submit to this treatment. With no real cost reform it's only going to get worse. That really will be our doom.

[Yavin4]

3. When Families Get Their Rate Increases In The Mail

They will blame the Democrats and Obama for it.

[dkf]

5. And we see how well the "it would have been worse" argument works.

It's not working for unemployment and it won't work for health premiums.

[FormerDittoHead]

41. ...and they will think how gov't can't do anything right.. It's a LOSE-LOSE.

They will have to jump through hoops to get a subsidy, then jump through hoops to get accepted (when they have a choice) have a giant deductible THEN DENIAL OF COVERAGE.

And they'll say to themselves, "What a fucked up system this is, ANYTHING is better than this..."

And Sarah Palin will have the answer - a Republican majority in Congress.

[truedelphi]

47. Oh and every step of the way,the middle incomed could end up facing penalties.

The Federal Government now feels entitled to raise 166 Billion bucks worth of penalties from us between 2013 and 2019 in order to help offset the cost of paying for the subsidies.

[OHdem10]

4. Amen.

[NJmaverick]

6. He wasn't too correct about how to run a national campaign

and he looked a little out there when he campaigned for an Obama cabinet position and he has looked very petulant in terms of his comments on the health care bill.


President Clinton, President Obama and Paul Krugman got this one right, not Dean and McCain.

[Forkboy]

7. You forgot to add that Lieberman and Baucus and Stupak got it right too!

[NJmaverick]

8. Or every Republican in the Senate on your side

[Forkboy]

9. Like Palin supporting Obama's war?

[NJmaverick]

10. Oh and I am thinking you get Palin on this one as well

[Forkboy]

13. Yet her and I disagree and you and her don't.

[NJmaverick]

15. How do you disagree, you both want to kill the bill

[Forkboy]

19. How do you and her diagree, you both want to escalate the war.

And provide a single link where I say I want to kill the bill. I'll wait.

[NJmaverick]

22. Are you saying you want the bill to pass?

I'll wait for that answer first.

[Forkboy]

25. I agree with Sanders that it can be saved, though it's a long shot.

Now, about that link?

[NJmaverick]

26. So you don't want the current bill to pass, see I saved my time and effort

you may like a seriously modified bill (more than can be expected) but that doesn't count in terms of killing the current bill.

[Forkboy]

27. Once again, for comprehension, I agree with Sanders....

...that the bill should pass. Is that clear enough for you or do you need diagrams in crayon?

[ClarkUSA]

11. "Obama's war" = RNC/mediawhore talking point

There you go again.

[Forkboy]

12. At least you didn't accuse me of stalking you.

:rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

18. Making as much sense as you usually do, I see.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

20. Oh, I think you know what I'm talking about.

[ClarkUSA]

23. lol!

:crazy:

[NJmaverick]

16. It's scary how many RNC talking points are now regularly making their way into DU

[ClarkUSA]

21. It's all the 24/7 Obama Outrage gang has. Funny how Dean was a "sellout" when he supported HCR.

Now, all of a sudden, he's the Party's Messiah to the usual Outrage Club members.

[Forkboy]

24. You better alert.

:rofl:

[Yavin4]

17. In 2004, The Democrats Went Practical And Voted Kerry

Instead of voting for the guy with steam and fire who may have won that election.

[karynnj]

49. Steam and Fire?

You mean the guy who whined that he didn't want to be a pin cushion? That when he faced the normal flack given the front runner. The fact is that you mistake red faced anger for real strength - something Kerry had far more of.

The fact is that in Dec 2003, Dean polled nearly 20 points behind Bush. In February, Kerry polled close to Bush and even beat him in the spring in some polls. The fact is that Dean never polled as well as GENERIC Democrat and Kerry polled better than generic Democrat. In addition, Kerry was exceptional in the debates and one thing that won him points was that he was completely on target on all issues and he was very Presidential, which means he controlled his anger.

[roguevalley]

39. really. so a doctor cannot speak about healthcare bills and be right?

A former governor who managed tight money for a state cannot be right about money? Really. Clinton can blow it out his butt. He hasn't been right on this issue yet. he actually wants this shit stain bill to pass.

[RogueTrooper]

43. but he was pretty excellent when it came to running the dnc

what did he say that was petulant? His comments seemed pretty reasonable to me.

[Cha]

14. Dean, No Problem! My problem is

with the assholes in the Senate.

[Fire1]

28. Why? Cause YOU say so! I think not. n/t

[Yavin4]

36. Bookmark Your Post And When You Get That Premium Bill In The Mail In 2013

then you will know what I mean.

[Fire1]

38. I don't get a premium bill. It's deducted automatically.

[Ildem09]

29. RIGHT OH!

How long before the Cheerleaders throw Richard Trumpka, and Andy Stern Under the bus

[Laelth]

30. k&r for Howard Dean. He is right about this turd of a bill. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Phx_Dem]

31. Leave Howard aloooooooone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a person tooooo.

:cry:

[David Zephyr]

32. K&R.

!

[bigwillq]

33. No one should lay off any politician (or former one)

if they don't agree with them. If you open your mouth on national television or in print, then you need to be able to handle the consequences of your actions. Some will agree and some won't. Big Dean fan, btw, and I agree with Dean. But I don't support someone telling someone else to "lay off" someone.

[flamingdem]

34. Being right gets you nowhere politically nt

[lib2DaBone]

35. I like Dean.. he is 100% On-Target.....

.. that's why both Democorps AND Republicorps will swift boat him and get him out of the picture.

Can't have any "truth" accidentally reach the people....

[Capn Sunshine]

37. I love Howard Dean. I worked with Howard Dean for several years

He's always right, although Howard does not deal in nuance.
Check him out today, he's making more sense on this.

It's not killable, but if we don't at least extend medicare to 50 it will cause future grief, just like he says.

I guess what I'm saying is I have faith theat the Senate will work this out beyond its present form, and that alone is reason not to get on a Killwagon.

[Zodiak]

42. But remember, the killwagon is the only way to force people back to the table

It has a purpose.

BTW....I agree that we can save this bill, but not if they do not fear us. Kill the bill, or bring us back to the table to remove the individual mandate.

[JNelson6563]

40. Yes, Howard Dean is right.

Again. :toast:

[Vidar]

44. K&R.

[Odin2005]

45. The Mandate is FASCISM!

The government has no right to FORCE me to buy something from a corporation!

[Little Star]

46. k&r

[ananda]

48. Totally agree!

This is a very bad bill!

[BrklynLiberal]

50. You are correct that Howard Dean is right.