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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:42 PM Original message |
"Five cost controls in the Senate health-care bill." |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bu-bu-t But the sky is falling |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yeah, that's what I thought. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you, that is good news. |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R while this is still on the + side. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank for some real practical factual information! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. In some ways, instead of creating a PO, we are just paving the way to nationalizing insurance comps. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. Good information to have |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. The change to bundled payment is HUGE |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I wish everyone would read Ezra, regardless of what they think.... |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I completely disagree with him |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
96. He has gotten so much wrong in this area |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Counterpoints to what is shown |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Forcing people to buy insurance will force politicians to control costs? They need more incentives? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Most people won't be allowed on the exchange, the excise tax is a squeeze play |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. What about the medical loss ratio? is that still in the bill? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. One would think it would the the #1 issue mentioned. n/t |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Exactly --- which got me thinking why they aren't talking about it -- can anyone say "Sunset MLR" |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Thanks for posting that - I have asked and asked about what happened to |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Thanks. That was a very helpful read. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. It is pretty indirect. Waiting a year for a rebate isn't easy if you are living hand to mouth |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Let me see... |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. A whole side issue is what certain people want to transform the Medicare Commission into |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Not really much point to it, really |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
20. Jesus! Will the bullshit never end? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The bill does nothing to stop price gouging |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. Imagine that. Some FACTS for once, instead of the usual lies from the usual suspects. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Your contempt is noted. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Just tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Your arrogance is also noted |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. lol! |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Think your changing any minds? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I think I hit a major nerve. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Think your helping Obama get re-elected? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Just tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Think you're helping democrats get elected to congress in 2010? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I think I hit a major nerve. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Are you really this tone deaf? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Just tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Out of ideas? Think you're making the party bigger of smaller? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. See reply #55 for a good look in the mirror. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Can the party afford to alienate the foot soldiers they depend on come election time? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. As if you care. Stop posturing. I noticed you never preach to Obama bashers about their behavior. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Edited to make it even angrier? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Only after you edited your reply... just trying to keep up with your Outrage. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. edited mine to be nicer - sorry you can't say the same. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. No, you edited yours to posture as if you cared about GOTVing. And I replied to that. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You read minds? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. No, I correct revisionist bullshit. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. No, you have opinions, we all have opinions. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Oooh, that sounds like threat to me. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Yeah, holier-than-thou accusations from those who refer to Pres. Obama as an "emperor" are amusing. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I'm sorry you don't understand metaphores. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. "metaphores"? Is that anything like semaphores? |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:14 PM Original message |
Never read the story of the Emperor's New Clothes? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
71. D'oh! |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. What is the moral of the that tale and who wrote it? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. lol! Funny how my truth-telling in reply #24 really hit a nerve, eh? |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:22 PM Original message |
Its ok if you need some time to read it, its worthwhile - and relevent. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
80. Yes, I thought so. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. You really should read it - its relevant - and a well written story.. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Yawn. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You really need to understand metaphores - and this story. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I understand that I hit a nerve with my telling it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Looks like someone's ego needs to have the last word - take it Clark. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Hmm... that reminds me. I have my leftover mashed Idaho potatoes from last night's dinner to eat. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. No threats - human nature |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. "You can't bash folks.." Who was bashing? |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. "Usual lies for the usual suspects?" cmon. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. That's not what I said. What I said was both truthful and made sense. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Ok, then who wrote the subject for your post? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. See reply #24 and edit your post for the obvious misquote. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Sorry, "Usual lies FROM the usual suspects" how does that make it any better? cmon. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Just tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. But not "bashing" right? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Nope. Just tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. No - you have opinions - we all have opinions |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. No, you have opinions to my tellin' it like it is. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Again, looks like someone's ego needs to have the last word - take it Clark. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. See reply #90. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Always spoiling for a fight. nt. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. See reply 28. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
30. Oh geez "make more money from doing less" |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Yeah, that seems strange to me. Why is it in my interest for my doctor to do less for me ... |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. Bundled Payments? Can you explain this further? Why is one check vs. many checks better .... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
98. Less paperwork. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. Does Prudent Purchasing only apply to plans bought through the exchange? |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. Who pays the excise tax? |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. OK, I found the answer to this one. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
39. How does the Individual Mandate force the insurers to pass on their windfall ... |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
43. Wrong. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. But you can't cut healthcare costs by giving hospitals more can you? |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. They aren't giving more. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That's what I'm saying, they give hospitals less - by neccesity. If you gave them more .... |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Try again. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Why? Aren't we agreeing? Hospitals will get less because otherwise costs do not go down |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
94. Do you have any idea at all what they've been |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
92. Bump, some folk are still whining.... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
93. As a person who is still whining, what will make the insurance companies |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
95. Ahh, the propaganda machine. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
97. Let's pass it and then get rid of the mandate |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Let's pass it and add stuff to it every year, like Sen. Rockefeller said the other day. |
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