I hope Palin doesn't get too trashed because I want her to run for President! (right-wing Kucinich)

[LoZoccolo]

I'm not talking about the trashing here, but in the media over her book and other things. I want to see her in the debates, where even if she doesn't win (I don't think she will, but that would be even better), she'll end up injecting an element of unrealistic expectations or perhaps some paranoid rhetoric a la death panels, and the other candidates will either have to try to co-opt that (win for alienating moderates) or distance themselves from it (win for alienating the hard right). She is the Kucinich of the right, coming in to wreck things and go back home after wrecking things!

[rwheeler31]

1. No

[WCGreen]

2. Believe you me, she is not half the politician Kucinich is....

I have known Dennis for 15 years. He won a very conservative district congressional district running on core democratic values. Palin couldn't touch DK for political skills.

[leftwing9]

13. just fyi

Dennis does not represent "a very conservative district." Dennis is very much of the people of his district - economically left, socially left, and unwilling to put conservative fantasies on a level with liberal reality.

[WCGreen]

50. Hey I live in the district....

I think I know a little bit about the district I live in and also tried to run for office in.

DK keeps getting elected because he has great constituent service, always been his strong point.

[Dinger]

18. + 1,000

Thank you:)

[msongs]

3. another day another smear lol. how's your right wing dems faves tonight? nt

[avaistheone1]

4. Kucinich is the best.

Don't put his name in the same sentence as Palin.

[Mz Pip]

5. Dennis can read and write

and his heart in in the right place. He may not be "mainstream" enough to win a nomination but he is a decent honest politician. And really, he never wrecked anything.

Sarah is just wacko. She wrecked John McCain's shot at the WH (along with many other factors) and will continue to be the wrecking ball for whatever moderate wing of the GOP that may be left.

Dennis is sort of the conscience of the Democratic Party. He reminds us all of what we really should be. He may never be the candidate some would like him to be, but that doesn't mean his presence is without merit. He gives us a positive vision of what we would like things to be. He's not mean, or nasty or sarcastic.

Dennis will never be President. He will never be the candidate. I think he knows this. His role is to give some voice to the progressive movement without being threatening.

I really like Dennis but I know he has absolutely zero chance of becoming the Democratic nominee. That doesn't mean he doesn't have value within the party.

[Rhiannon12866]

6. Beautifully said. Thank you.

Though I'm realistic about his chances, Dennis has still been my candidate since 2003. :patriot:

[UndertheOcean]

7. moron. n/t

[dmr]

8. No way, no how is she the Kucinich of the right!

How could you even write that without gagging?

:crazy:

[depakid]

9. Interestingly enough, Kucinich's policies more often are similar to those of the ALP

The Australian Labor party- and with those policies, Australia has not only become more successful than America on just about every measure, the country avoided the recession altogether without a single bank failure. Interesting, huh? $14.00 per hour minimum wage and nationally a 5.6% unemployment rate- with no one going bankrupt over medical bills, and fundies relegated to the fringe where they belong.

More interesting still is that most of the Republicrats, conservadems- whatever it is you like to call yourselves- are even farther "to the right" on most issues than the opposition party in Australia- and your representatives would long ago have been imprisoned on corruption charges in other western nations.

As is said- the proof of the pudding is in... the policies and your policies have time and again proven to be failures.

Enjoy the race to the bottom!

[ShortnFiery]

58. Wow! At the very least, it would be a pleasure to visit Australia.

Most of my ancestry is from the UK and Germany, but I'm getting a positive impression of Australia from your post.

Nice. And second to the Brits, I love the accent. :thumbsup:

[depakid]

59. It's a fine and most beautiful country- I highly recommend having a look

On the societal side, Australians remind me very much of Old School can do Oregonians.

In fact, I've often thought that had America leaders on the national front like Tom McCall, Wayne Morse and John Kitzhaber rather than Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George Bush- the nation would still a leading force, trending up- rather than looking for paradigms that resemble Latin America.

[rucky]

73. This is the splash of cold water we need around here.

things are getting so warped without the global perspective.

[thelordofhell]

10. I'll take Elizabeth Kucinich over sarah palin any day

and twice on Sunday

[Webster Green]

11. What an idiotic fucking post

I guess you don't like Kucinich, though he makes more sense than any other legislator.

You, however, make no sense at all. Very sad. :wtf:

[harun]

62. +1

[Drunken Irishman]

12. She certainly isn't as smart as Kucinich.

But she's about as effective as he is when it comes to actual change.

[burning rain]

14. Probably not going to be her in 2012.

The business Republicans dislike her, and they decide things. More likely it'll be Romney, a stable if dullish, and reliable business-oriented guy. Hard to see Palin overcoming the stigma of her resignation, and eliciting the loyalty of GOP operatives depite her score-settling in Going Rogue that has to poison the well.

I sure hope Washington Democratsaren't counting on the folly and odiousness of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and the teabaggers assuring automatic victories in 2010 and 2012, the way many liberals seem to.

[polichick]

15. She's not even close to the Kucinich of the right - she'd need a first-rate brain for that...

What an insult to Kucinich!

[mcablue]

16. Kucinich told his supporters to vote for Obama

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/01/542614.aspx

How is this tantamount to "wreck" the Democrats' chances?
Plus his positions are very good, unlike Palin's. Your analysis is very flawed.

[Starry Messenger]

17. What did Kucinich wreck?

Your morning shit?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

19. Typical smear post

you are outnumbered here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6971458

[Bluenorthwest]

20. In this post you are defending a Republican in order to bash

a Democrat. And because your smear is not viable, you have opened a can of worms. Which Democrats are really in agreement with Palin on important issues? Obama and Palin are in harmonic agreement in their mutual opposition to basic human rights for minorities their mutual religion teaches them to hold in contempt. Barack and Sarah agree. As does Time Kaine and Palin. Obama, Kaine and Palin are allied in their faith, and in their opposition to Civil Rights. Obama is the Palin of the Center, bigoted, dogmatic, dragging religion into our secular government.
This is just one of many areas where Obama and Palin are in agreement, in this case they stand together as siblings in Christ to oppose my community's equal protection under the law. I have more of these.
Now, you name an area of policy where Palin and Dennis agree, but Obama is in the right opposed to them. I'll be waiting all day. Remember the VP 'debate show' where Biden shouted loudly that he agreed with Palin about GLBT rights "NO!" he shouted. Remember that? I do.
Ready to do chapter 2, Brazille, DuBois, and McClurkin? Wanna?

[LoZoccolo]

25. I'm defending a Republican? O RLY? n/t

[Orsino]

21. Did Kucinich run over your dog?

In what way has a politician of twelve years' experience with serious legislation at the national level, a crusader for human rights and civil liberties, deserved equation with Alaska's Queen For A Day? With Miss Unprepared 2008? With Miss Quitter 2009? Did I miss a Kucinich run for the presidency based entirely on his looks?

Fail.

[livetohike]

22. Your insult to Kucinich is disgusting

You may not agree with Kucinich's policies, but to compare him to this vindictive, no talent idiot is really sad.

[LoZoccolo]

27. Kucinch's insults to other Democrats are disgusting

when you consider that he knows he won't have to deliver a single one of his presidential campaign promises.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

64. Oh yeah, cuz he can't wean the corporate sellouts away from their

sources of financing.

And he hasn't delivered on one of his presidential campaign promises, because, guess what, he hasn't been president.

[LoZoccolo]

70. EXACTLY. He knows he won't be, either.

I ran for president in 2004 too, you know. I promised way more than Dennis. Why do you cheerlead for his sell-out, when you know I was the only one promising to wean us off of fossil fuels within 18 months? I can dig these posts up if you want.

He can't even get much of these things done as a legislator, and his health care reform vote just tells me that as president he might be the type to veto every single bill that reaches his desk, no matter how hard-fought it was for the congressional Democrats.

[karynnj]

23. Be careful what you wish for

I doubt anyone will be able to beat President Obama, but given the number of hard decisions he has to make on a huge range of issues - all far too important for a man with integrity to make for political advantage if there is a conflict to what really might be the long term best interest of the country and world and the political choice.

I admit that in 2000, I thought the fact that the undistinguished, mean drunk until he was 40 years old Bush beating the hero of the media, straight talk John McCain made for an easier race for Al Gore. Now, I may have been right. The picture many had of McCain in 2000 was colored by an adoring media. The hints of rage were clothed over and he was seen as thoughtful, soft spoken and not an ideologue. I knew many Democrats and Independents - even in 2006 or 2007 - who still had a pretty positive view of McCain. It may have been that he would have won the Presidency in 2000 had Bush not run his dirty campaign.

Now, MCCain is and was a neo-con, even though in the 1990s, he spoke of using the military only as a last resort. It is hard to know what he would have done as President, but it is really hard to have done as much damage as Bush.

Palin, if anything, is scarier than Bush. She really seems to believe all the truly fringe things she says. I think though that the Republican party itself will now "vet" her. In 2008, everything negative said by the left was considered "political" by many, now negatives will come from many sources that Republicans and Independents see as Republican or neutral. Those will be more damaging. I really think the best thing we can do now is stay out of it. She will use any negative reaction from us to create sympathy and reinforce the support of her base. (Look how she used the Letterman joke to turn quitting her job into "protecting her family" - even though it was not her job that drew the joke, but her presence on the national stage. If her sole goal was to take her "interesting" family out of the public arena, announcing that she was not interested in 2008 and working seriously as governor, would have been the more likely solution.)

[harun]

24. Kucinich speaks the truth, Palin lies. Huge difference, if you can't see

that difference you got a long way to go.

[LoZoccolo]

26. Was he telling the truth when he implied that Ron Paul might make a good president? n/t

[harun]

41. In saying "might" he is stating an opinion. If I say "It might rain today" if

it doesn't rain am I a liar?

[LoZoccolo]

46. Do you even know what I'm talking about?

He was thinking of selecting Ron Paul as his running mate and told a room full of people this.

[Kingofalldems]

28. Sly attack on a Democrat

The GOP site is down the street----->

[LoZoccolo]

29. ...who attacks the majority of Democrats.

Nice try.

P.S. Kucinich/Paul 2008 woo hoo! :woohoo:

[mcablue]

30. Can you provide a list of the "majority of Democrats" that Kucinich has "attacked"?

I'd love to see the proof behind your assertion.

[LoZoccolo]

31. All of them who voted "yes" on the health care bill. n/t

[mcablue]

He did not attack them individually

You are equating disagreement with a vote with attacking a majority of Democrats.

Will you cite the votes in which Kucinich has agreed with the majority of Democrats?

[LoZoccolo]

56. 1. What does that matter?

2. No, that's your job.

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[Jennicut]

33. It would make an easy win for Obama but why the DK put down?

DK is not my favorite politician but is 1 million times better then Palin any day. Ever.

[ej510]

34. Why are you hating DK?

[Jennicut]

38. Huh? I just said he was way, way better then any Repub and could not

understand why the OP was putting in the DK slam in the post. Just because he is not my favorite Dem does not mean I dislike him.

[rucky]

35. So noted: LoZo wants Palin to run for President & he hates Kucinich.

That's some interesting company you keep, there.

[sofa king]

36. I imagine her campaign could soak up millions in the primaries....

...Which would leave an actual, qualified candidate with that much less to work with and that much more to apologize for once her sponging is exposed.

[WI_DEM]

37. I'm not a huge DK fan but even I think this is a low blow.

[Forkboy]

40. It's all LoZo has. DU's longest running troll.

[dionysus]

48. even telling him how much Oasis sucks doesn't work anymore

:(
:hi:

[Ichingcarpenter]

60. I believe he admitted he voted for Bush in one election

But now is a real democrat.

[LoZoccolo]

68. I voted for Peter Fitzgerald in 1998 and worked at a firm that did Republican push polls in 1994.

I have admitted both of these things in the past. It would have been more responsible of you if you would have gone and found out that I never voted for Bush* or any other Republican in the 2000 election, but that would have required you do some work before you run off at the mouth and spread a rumor (like the other guy who I let run around for months saying I endorsed Lieberman - without any proof, of course, as he concocted a story about it all being deleted - before I gave him the links and made him look idiotic.

[Forkboy]

39. You need help, both mentally and logically.

Though it's great to see 99% of your posts go over like an orphanage fire.

[Jazzgirl]

42. Kucinich is not even remotely like that woman.

For one thing is is not a serial liar and she is. He does not try to blame everybody else for his mistakes and she does. He is not a quitter and she is.

[Phx_Dem]

43. Different than Kucinich, but just as "electable."

[Cha]

44. The coporatemediawhoredom want her but

I don't. I've had more than enough of that lying twit.

[kestrel91316]

45. She is the polar opposite of Kucinich, and this comparison is a terrible

insult to the man. But I think you knew that.

SHAME.

[dionysus]

49. loz doesn't possess a sense of shame kestrel.

anyone who can run around with a video camera on the street saying "dooga dooga" over and over cannot be shamed or embarrassed, by anything...
:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

52. I now have a phone that takes decent video; my camera is always with me! n/t

[dionysus]

53. do you harass people you percieve to be greens or kucinich fans?

[LoZoccolo]

57. No.

But I did run into that same guy at Myopic Bookstore in Wicker Park and was like "dooga dooga dooga dooga" and he said something about Clinton killing all these people.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

65. If you wern't such a long-time poster, I'd say you were a troll

:yawn:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

67. Those 2 are not mutually exclusive you know. nt

[LoZoccolo]

69. I suppose that's one way of dodging responsibility for your position.

I don't think anyone in this thread has defended Kucinich's role in debates or his presidential runs, only told me that I shouldn't criticize him.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

71. No, we've only told you that your criticisms are stupid

You LOVE the fact that most of the members of Congress are bought and paid for by corporate interests.

[LoZoccolo]

72. Yeah, that's exactly what I said. n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

76. I'll believe you're against the corrupt, cynical, and compromised DLC

when you actually criticize the "elephants in donkey jackets."

You criticize only those politicians who actually believe in what America is SUPPOSED to be. What am I supposed to assume by that?

[LoZoccolo]

77. I'll believe that there is such a thing as an "elephant in a donkey jacket"...

...when someone can show me a Democrat who votes with the Republicans every time.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

78. How about even some of the time?

The Republicans today are so whacko and so blatantly in the pockets of the corporations and the military that voting with them or compromising with them on ANYTHING (as many Dems did throughout the Bush administration, on the grounds that the bills were going to pass anyway) is against the best interests of the ordinary American.

[LoZoccolo]

80. So 100% - 10% = 0%?

And such a Democrat is just as good as a Republican? And such a bill is just as good as a Republican one?

[dionysus]

47. not too keen on DK but don't compare him to palin. makes you look foolish..again...

[Vidar]

51. Unrecommended. & onto the ignore list you go.

[Saboburns]

54. It would be nice to see this many DU'ers come to Pres Obama's defense

Sigh...............

[Lydia Leftcoast]

75. I would come to his defense--

except that I got this strange sense of foreboding when he filled his Cabinet and adviser posts with Republicans, Wall Street insiders, and DLCers.

I always knew that his speeches about "change" were empty words, and nothing I've seen so far has shaken that opinion.

We need REAL CHANGE and STRONG LEADERSHIP that puts ordinary people first. We need this more than at any time in my lifetime.

If I saw even a GLIMMER of reining in the military-industrial complex or stopping the futile attempt to make nice with the Republicans, I'd change my tune.

All I see (from the party as a whole) are continuations of Bush's policies and abject caving in to the brattiest of the Republicans.

If we can't seriously change course, this country is OVER, and we have a lot farther to fall than many places.

[kitkat65]

55. Yeah, I unrec'd this one and was glad to do it.

Using Palin as an excuse to bash Kucinich? Really? Comparing the two? Really?

Still pissed off about that health care reform vote, huh? Get some perspective, dude.

[Flaneur]

61. The OP must be all of 14 years old.

He gives sophomoric a bad name.

[Umbral]

63. "Right-wing Kucinich" ? You mean a quixotic figurehead whose...

role as a primary candidate is to keep the idealistic hardliners from bolting to a third party? A loyalist who, despite the outcome, will selflessly throw their support to the (intended) winner? So you want Palin in the race to help strengthen the Republican position? Why am I not the least bit surprised that YOU would support that position? Nope, not surprised at all.

[LoZoccolo]

81. No, I want Palin to win the nomination and lose the general. n/t

[bighart]

66. Doubt she can last that long

[Tank Hankerous]

74. She's more like Reverend Al than Kucinich...N/T

[and-justice-for-all]

79. right-wing Kucinich?? what the fuck?!nt

[asdjrocky]

82. DK has a once in a generation mind.

And you are a very common moran.