If It's a Bad Bill...It Shouldn't Be Passed

[Bullet1987]

Since when is passing bad bills considered a good idea? I remember the days when passing bad bills meant we'd get bad results. How much common sense does it make to pass a bill that everyone considers to be bad on multiple levels (regardless of a few minor positives), but still expecting a positive outcome? How does that make sense? Supporters of this bill have not shown much logic in defending it. They gloss over the fact that everything we wanted initially is all but gone. So why pass it? To perpetrate some false political victory?

Also, bills never get redone. This is a historical fact. When something is passed...it STAYS that way. There are only a handful of cases where something better was brought along later...like the Civil Rights Acts of '58, then later '64. But that hasn't happened recently and we have more examples of people promising revisions (like to NAFTA and the Patriot Act for instance) and having it never happen, then the other way around. So I wish people would stop saying pass it now, so we can revise it later. That's NOT going to happen, and you're being played for a fool if you think it will. Politicians get lazy and move on to other things. Especially when this bill will prove very profitable to Big Pharma and the insurance industry...there's no way someone will change it later because of this. But hey, liberals will be proven right once again a few years from now when everyone realizes how shitty it is through real life circumstances.

[golddigger]

1. A "Kick" for the sad truth.

[Aramchek]

2. when something is defeated, it isn't taken up again for years

[Laelth]

5. I honestly believe that the Senate bill is the best that Congress can do.

Frankly, I don't think the Federal Government is capable of reforming the system right now. If this bill is the best the Federal Government can do, then the Federal Government should do nothing. It's time to let the states try.

Passing this bill will prevent the states from addressing this issue.

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Aramchek]

11. good thing nobody is listening to that advice

[Laelth]

12. Too bad some people are advocating poltical suicide for the Democratic Party.

Polls show a majority of Americans oppose the individual mandate. This is a terrible piece of legislation, and the Democratic Party will (rightly) be punished for it by the electorate if it passes.

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Aramchek]

13. that kind of irrationality is why you will never make decisions for the Democratic Party

or the Country

[Laelth]

17. Irrational? Just like Howard Dean? If so, I am proud to be irrational.

Get a clue. Calling your allies "irrational" is no way to win friends and influence people.

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Armstead]

20. What is irrational about satying "don't do something that people are against"?

[Bullet1987]

6. If it's defeated now...we MIGHT be able to do it again

if Obama gets re-elected.

[Laelth]

3. Hear, hear!

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[IndianaGreen]

4. K&R

They rushed PATRIOT through passage without even bothering to read the bill. They said they would fix it later. We still have PATRIOT!

[EVDebs]

7. The US has to have a train-wreck. Insurance/BigPhama are eating 20% of GDP

and the country isn't producing anything. Once the train derails they'll have to come to Progressives for ideas on how to get things going again. Until then it'll just keep getting worse.

[depakid]

8. "I remember the days when passing bad bills meant we'd get bad results."

People are under a collective delusion if they believe that this is somehow still not the case.

[Bullet1987]

10. I mean...I just don't get the logic

It's completely ass backwards. Bad Bill=Good Result. It's like saying 1+1=3 or something...it's devoid of any type of proof or logic. Completely assinine.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Your premise is all fucked up.

Supporters say a less than perfect bill that can be used a framework for more progress in the future is better than no bill which enables the messed up status quo or worse.

[Bullet1987]

Why use a bill with a horrible framework

as a foundation for the future? Again, it DOESN'T make sense no matter how hard some try to rationalize it.

[Bullet1987]

21. Why use a bill with a horrible framework

as a foundation for the future? Again, it DOESN'T make sense no matter how hard some try to rationalize it.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Bill don't get "redone", but Bills do get improved on all of the time,

in particular, bills dealing with health care.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. I have a request: Can you point me to a single bill dealing with health care that is

"improved on all of the time"?

I can't think of any, any at all.

[jefferson_dem]

14. All 58 Dems will be wrong. All 40 Repugs will be right.

:crazy:

[Teaser]

18. "everything we wanted initially is all but gone.": speak for your damn self!

what gives you the right to use "we"?

[rasputin1952]

19. The option is...

nothing.

It is far easier to amend a law than it is to get one in the first place.

Nothing...is disaster multiplied by a factor of 10.


ETA: Your second paragraph begins with a falsehood...SS, Medicare, Medicaid, The Constitution itself has been amended on numerous occasions. Laws are written on paper. they are not carved in stone.