on Tweety: Suggest Obama should step down and not seek reelection

[Laura PourMeADrink]

In a general discussion, they said that IF
he doesn't know what to do to fix the economy, he should step down
and allow someone who does to seek the Democratic nomination.

My thought is that he can not fix the economy, no Democrat can...as long
as the House is Repuke. There is zero incentive for them to help fix it.

On CNN, an email was said that spoke to the same issue...paraphrasing..."It
doesn't matter what Obama says on Thursday, the Republicans won't go along.
A Republican will win and then the Democrats will block what they want to
do. And the people of the country will never see any progress."

[FrenchieCat]

1. Tweety's been waiting to say that for about 3 years now!

I can see the spiddle coming from his lip now...without watching!

[Honeycombe8]

23. No, he hasn't. He's been one of Obama's biggest fans. Do you watch the show?

Have you seen his ads about Obama? They're ads for the show, but he's talking about Obama.

Also, note that the OP didn't say it was Tweety who said that. It was part of a general discussion.

[Beacool]

28. Tweety? You must be kidding.

He of the tingling leg was one of Obama's biggest fans.

:eyes:

[laugle]

50. We said tweety was

a SNAKE, when no one would listen. We said he always goes whichever way the political winds blow........there's only one thing he cares about and that's his ratings.......tune him out and he will be gone........

[TwilightGardener]

2. Yeah, because Republicans will be cooperative with a DIFFERENT Democrat--

perhaps even a more progressive one!

[FrenchieCat]

4. Perhaps Tweety would prefer someone of a diffferent skin color

Because I can see that giving a big hand up to Republicans when Obama's carcase is thrown under the bus
and the majority of the Black vote stops voting altogether. Means no Democrats winning any majorities anywhere for fucking ever!

Tweety must believe he's effing brilliant or just hoping that Republicans are watching in the lead up to their MSNBC sponsored debate! :crazy:

[TwilightGardener]

8. It's the re-emergence of Bad Tweety. I think whichever side he's on

depends on MSNBC ratings that week. Or, as you say, an assumption that there's a new audience of GOPers for the debate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. I respectfully think it's a stretch to equate a race motive into

his remarks. I think it is just intelligent, pragmatic thought to say, "I like him, but
maybe he is not capable of figuring out how to turn the economy around." I love Obama...and wouldn't ever ever consider voting for a repuke, but even I have wondered if his economic team is the right team to turn this country around. Bottom line, we can't do anything productive and good until it does.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Suit yourself!

It is not intelligent or pragmatic....
it's like a Kamikaze pilot about to make the plunge,
while holding your hand!

If you think Black folks are gonna watch you throw this man
over the bridge, and then have y'all expecting us to
come and vote for the shiny new white one that you've chosen
to replace him, that just ain't gonna happen!

Black folks always suffer.....so most of us will just bite that bullet.
Many of us ain't got shit else to lose anyways!

But you for it! :thumbsup:

[rury]

35. + 1 million FrenchieCat

OBAMA 2012!!!!

[shellgame26]

37. +1

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Whoa....think you may be taking this wrong....it wouldn't be that

someone forced him out...it would be that HE decided he didn't want it anymore.

I am not throwing him or anyone over the bridge, so please don't say I do.

I love him. I want him to stay. Guess I am just sad for the futile situation
he is in. But, it would be the same futile situation not matter what Democrat
was in.

Bottom line, the Repukes raped the economy on purpose knowing any Dem would
be left with no money to reverse what they did.

[Medium Baby Jesus]

54. Maybe one who understands politics! nt

[CakeGrrl]

3. MSM just carrying the GOP water to oust Obama

As has been said, running another Democrat with a GOP/Tea Party-dominated Congress isn't going to change much. Except to have Obama out of the WH.

Pathetic.

[TwilightGardener]

5. They don't realize this: NO DEM PRESIDENT will be allowed to succeed

ever again. Republicans OWN THE WHITE HOUSE, and it forever shall be thus. Edit to add: blaming Obama is exactly the point of 3 years of obstruction.

[teddy51]

7. I'm not sure that I agree! The problem that we are seeing is the third party...

ie: The TeaParty ( a crazier bunch has never been seen). This country is in more trouble than we thought with just the crazy Repugs.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Teabaggers are not third party. They are just a rebranding of Republican extremism.

[teddy51]

12. Yeah, but they are almost like a third party right now, with control over the Repugs. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Welcome...and I tend to agree...in essence, they are a third party

but a third party that only affects the Republican side of the aisle - as far as policy
goes.

[teddy51]

13. Thank You for your welcome. n/t

[dennis4868]

17. I agree...

they own the WH even when they don't have the WH as long as they have enough votes to fillubuster in the senate and/or control the House....Tweety can go FUCK HIMSELF....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH DEM IS IN THE WH...repubs, as long as they can, will ALWAYS obstruct a dem president.

[DontTreadOnMe]

6. The fact that the Right will not agree with anything Obama proposes

makes it clear to me that Obama should GO BIG and announce a HUGE PROGRESSIVE solution.

Like investing $2 Trillion in rebuilding America. Make it $10 Trillion! It doesn't matter if it was $100, the GOP is not going to agree on anything -- so
this is the point in the Obama Admin to make a stand. He needs to stand tall... and if his "solution for America" is tax cuts for corporations or "bipartisanship", then he is just going along with the "job creator fallacy".

Is he going to stand strong?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. good point. go for the world. but, for some reason, it doesn't

seem like the general public makes the connection between what Obama says he wants
to do and accomplish and the fact that it doesn't come to fruition because the
Republicans thwart it. It just mysteriously becomes..He (Obama) can't get it done.

Sounds like the public just looks at the end result. I don't care how you get there..what principles you have to cave on...just get there.

[teddy51]

15. I agree, he really needs to make a stand now if he wants to have any chance of re-election. n/t

[Peregrine Took]

21. +10

[DCBob]

19. how does making an outrageous proposal help anything??

answer: it doesnt. It just makes the President look he doesnt really care about finding solution to the problem and it just playing politics.

[Mr Deltoid]

48. Passing nothing is better than passing more right wing 'deals'

The right wing 'deals' are destroying Obama on all fronts. He is making his own bed here.

[DCBob]

53. "We the people" are more interested in creating jobs than defining deals as RW, LW or any wing.

We are in a crisis and this is precisely the time to drop partisan crap.

[Mr Deltoid]

56. Um, RW policies caused this mess

Pretending they didn't legitimizes them. Do the math.

[totodeinhere]

18. If Obama were to step down in favor of a more progressive Democrat who can win,

then I'm all for it. Of course this is all theoretical since it's not going to happen.

[Peregrine Took]

22. I think he's been dropping hints all along that he wants out. It depends if

he DNC and his power brokers will allow him to step out.

[Honeycombe8]

25. Don't kid yourself. Once someone has tasted power, they want to keep it.

It must be really something to be President of the United States. Almost everyone in the world knows who you are. Your every need is taken care of. Your schedule is done for you down to the last detail. Your clothes are purchased and set out for you. You're driven around in limos and other nice vehicles. You have speech writers (but I guess Obama writes his own, or at least rewrites the speeches that are written for him, since that's his strong point).

You are, for the time being, the most powerful person in the world.

Sheesh, that must be a heady experience. Not something someone wants to give up on a whim..."get out of." Not the kind of person who runs for such an office, to begin with, anyway.

[totodeinhere]

26. Although in history several incumbent presidents decided not to run for reelection.

The last one to do that was LBJ.

[Honeycombe8]

40. True. That was an unusual circumstance, though. He did the honorable thing.

He knew he couldn't win. So he gracefully bowed out. Plus, with the Vietnam War experience, he may have just had enough. He was pretty much hated in this country at that time by many people.

[rury]

33. You might WISH he wanted out...

but he's in in to win it.
OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!

[Cosmocat]

38. WHA?

:wow:

[Inuca]

39. If you truly believe that

you live in an alternate universe. I hope it is a pleasant one.

[These Eyes]

41. The air in Middle Earth must be a little thin.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. You know, I heard him make a comment...it wouldn't be so bad

to be a one term president. I think he is a brilliant man and I don't see much egotism in him. I think he knows he (1) got put in a situation where he was left with such a huge mess on purpose - to hopefully kill the democratic party and take unions with it. And, (2) He has no resources to do anything about it. And, (3) His opposition has zero incentive to help him turn the economy around.

These are powerful forces against him and it's probably difficult for him to see any light in the future.

[Ter]

55. We can only dream

n/t

[Honeycombe8]

24. The country isn't in the mood for a more progressive President. Then again...

it's NEVER in the mood for a progressive President. The last one elected was...maybe JFK? If you call him progressive (he was in favor of tax cuts, so I suspect many current progressives would not consider him a progressive). But he surely was a strong leader. Wish we had someone like him right about now.

[frazzled]

32. And how would a more progressive Democrat ...

either (a) get elected or (b) have a chance of their proposals passing a Republican House (assuming it remains in Republican control)? (Please don't respond "by fighting"--believe it or not, that is not a rational response.)

Sometimes I think people really need to put on their thinking caps. I'm beginning to think that our schools should really, really be focusing more on critical thinking skills.

[totodeinhere]

36. I specifically said a "more progressive Democrat who can win."

I would not support one who could not win. How they could get elected I don't know but the premise that I set up assumes that they can win.

As far as moving proposals through the House goes, I would rather have a true progressive in office who is at least trying whether they would actually succeed at everything or not.

By the way, I do not appreciate your insulting my critical thinking skills which as far as I'm concerned are just fine.

[frazzled]

45. But you specifically did not name a single "more progressive Democrat who can win"

Without knowing who this mythical person is, this entire argument is moot.

[vaberella]

52. Nor one that can take on a GOP House. Unless then it's true---they just hated Obama b/c he's Black.

n/t

[vaberella]

51. Sure...that Liberal President would be great and work wonderfully with the GOP House.

I can see all the progressive legislation now.

[Peregrine Took]

20. self delete

[INdemo]

27. No..A Democratic president is the only way we can fix the economy

We just need a President with a back bone...I think it would be best for the party if he would announce he wont seek another term and open up the process..

[The Wizard]

29. When one senator can block all issues

our government is nonfunctional. Republicans play to win by any means necessary, kind of like the heels in professional wrestling. Democrats act with a sense of civility like the punching bags in professional wrestling. It's all fixed, just like professional wrestling.
With untold amounts filling off shore coffers, our government only represents the highest bidders.

[Skittles]

30. LOL

since when do Dems block what repukes want to do?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

31. What's even more amazing than Matthews (or one of his guests) is suggesting that Obama refuse to run

again is that there are no shortage of people HERE on this board whom actually think it might be a good idea! :banghead: :puke:

I'm beginning to think that DU needs to change its name to something else b/c it's clear that a wide margin of posters here at DEMOCRATIC Underground seem to be as contemptuous of Democrats as they are of Republicans. :shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

46. Yeah, cause we've got a better one waiting in the wings, with coffers full of cash, and

progressive ideas that Republicans will finally embrace! Actually, people who tell Obama to step aside know that the end result will be a Republican win, of course. It's like forfeiting the game.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. Right

As the Republicans prove daily, it's always easy to sit on the sidelines and find fault with somebody. It's harder, however, to actually govern and THAT is where the Republican Tea Party is failing epically. What I continue to fail to understand is how President Obama could be considered a failure given everything he was able to achieve in just 2 years IN SPITE of rampant GOP obstruction. We had to settle, of course, for a little *less* progress but to say that we didn't achieve any progress on some important fronts whatsoever flies in the face of reality. Also, to say that we should replace somebody who commands the support of approximately 80% of Democrats (including approximately 70% of LIBERALS), seems patently ridiculous IMHO, particularly since there is nobody apparently willing to do it (as of yet) and no cohesive vision IMHO of what having a primary challenge would be likely to accomplish. None of us know the day-to-day rigors of governing such a large and powerful country, so I'm not convinced that, given the same (or similar) circumstances, anybody could or would do things substantially different than President Obama has thus far.

[LatteLibertine]

34. heavy infrastructure investment is

one thing that is needed. Large corporations are sitting on trillions hoping the economy stays slow and that "the people" vote President Obama out of office. They want a Walker clone or worse, like Perry.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Yes, they are sitting on trillions AND they are making record profits

with fewer people. So why do anything? At the very beginning, when we were "on the verge of depression" most businesses froze hiring. They made those left do more for the same money. That has been 2 1/2 years ago and they are doing just fine. Why hire?

[WI_DEM]

49. believe it or not but Obama would still be the dems strongest candidate in 2012

and those 'analysts' should take into consideration how much the GOP has done to stymie Obama and the economy.