OK... This is a bold post from a newbie.... There are many here on DU that seem to want

[teddy51]

Obama gone, come 2012! So what then I ask? Who are you advocating take the WH? Many don't want a Primary challenger, but certainly don't want either a Republican or a Tea Bagger. So, where do we go from here? Please enlighten me!

[scheming daemons]

1. Your post makes too much sense... prepare to be unrecced into oblivion

by the sock puppets.

[ClassWarrior]

69. Boy, you're really in touch with the pulse of DU, aren't you?

:rofl:

NGU.

[Towlie]

91. I want Candidate Obama! Kick out that imposter and bring him back! (Yes we can, etc.)

[Lil Missy]

2. DU is not representative of real life. n/t

[rhett o rick]

15. What does that have to do with the OP? nm

[Lil Missy]

89. I guess you'd better read the OP again. n/t

[rhett o rick]

98. Damn these Koch-Democrats. nm

[SidDithers]

37. Exactly...

My sig line and I couldn't agree with you more.

Sid

[Number23]

42. Sid, I love your sig line

And you are looking quite handsome in your sig pic! :rofl:
:hi:

[SidDithers]

46. Hehe...

Thanks! :hi:

Sid

[rhett o rick]

78. You seem to despise DU. Why are you here? nm

[Union Scribe]

82. I wonder that, too, when I read posts basically trashing DUers.

They all sound the same, "This place is anti-Obama Underground, they need to change the name!! DU is SOOOOO not like the real world, the people here are extreme!" And it's like, "Does your browser know it can go to other sites?"

[SidDithers]

83. On the contratry, I am very fond of DU...

I just don't like what you and your pals have done to it.

Sid

[rhett o rick]

96. Why dont you discuss issues? All you do is trash fellow DU'ers. nm

[SwampG8r]

102. he is a canadian and

as such should be discounted in this debate
he has no vote to give just snark

[Exilednight]

105. Only 78%? Obama better find a way to get the other 22% of Democrats to vote for him. The numbers

don't lie. He only the general over McCain by 7%.

Now let's do the math. Approximately 1/3, or 33%, of all voters are Democrats. That equates to 22% of Democrats equaling out to approximately 7% of all voters.

[Lost-in-FL]

3. Too intellectually honest. Don't expect an answer.

Here, have some popcorn and watch what happens.

:popcorn:

[bluestateguy]

4. Maybe Bachmann or Perry will destroy the country, and then

surely that will facilitate a left wing progressive renaissance that will last a generation!

That's the kind of mentality you are dealing with.

[rhett o rick]

18. And exactly what do you propose? Four more years of sliding into fascism? nm

[Sheepshank]

71. ohh a question with a question.

Unfortunately it's too obvious a manner to avoid responding.

you just negated yourself.

[rhett o rick]

77. And the post about Bachmann and Perry isnt? "If you dare question Obama then you must

want Perry to destroy the country. Give me a break. Give it a rest.

[Sheepshank]

80. false equivalency and false premis of persecution negates you post, yet again. n/t

[rhett o rick]

97. Get real. nm

[Sheepshank]

109. Several responses and STILL you fail to answer the question.

really, this is all so freaking transparent.

[rhett o rick]

113. You didnt ask a question. As typical, you just spewed snark. Why dont you Kock-Democrats

start your own blog and get out of DU.

[SwampG8r]

103. no question in the post he replied to

once again you are wrong

[Sheepshank]

110. wrong location

[Vincardog]

5. I believe that you are confusing wanting the Democratic President to enact Democratic POLICIES

with wanting BO gone

[DJ13]

7. Bingo!

Just like the right, absolutists in our party only see in black & white.

[teddy51]

16. Nope, I am asking what do you see in our future to run this country? I am not an Obama loyalist,

but I want to be certain that we don't end up with someone much worse in the WH.

[Vincardog]

21. The best way to be certain that we don't end up with someone much worse in the WH

is to have BO stand up too the GOP and govern like a DEMOCRAT

[teddy51]

26. You and I both know that this will probably not happen. So, we must take the best (worst)

of both worlds, and move along. I hate it, but it is reality.

[SixthSense]

79. my liberal friends have split into two camps

one group still loves Obama

the other group thinks he's a moderate Republican

[teddy51]

13. No, I am asking who will further ruin the country (or distroy it) after

Obama is thrown under the bus in favor of a Perry, Romny, Bachmann, Palin... ect.

[Vincardog]

20. There is not any more room under the bus. BO filed it up with all the Liberals. Why do you think

that wanting BO to govern like he campaigned is preferring insane RW fools?
How do you make that leap?

[teddy51]

23. I seriosly don't see him governing like he campaigned, WTF he hasn't to date

so why expect it now? But the question is, do you want a Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann in the WH to really "F" things up further?

[Vincardog]

36. Then why not call the WH and ask HIM why HE wants a republican to win in 2012?

[polmaven]

51. And how, exactly,

would you suggest he go about forcing Republicans in Congress to accept anything proposed by him without compromise? Even when Democrats were in the majority in both Houses, there were not enough in the Senate to achieve cloture and actually vote on the many, many bills passed by the House.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

99. I wouldn't mind Obama being a bit dictatorial for the good of the country.

I wish he wasn't so wimpy. He's in power yet he sits back and cries that really has no power.

[polmaven]

106. Again...

how do you propose he go about doing that? We do still have a Constitution that does not allow the president to be "a bit dictatorial" and enact laws which have not been approved by Congress.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

107. Bush and Cheney got everything they wanted. n/t

[polmaven]

108. But they did NOT

do it by fiat. While Bush did sign more executive orders than President Obama has, there is a Constitutional limit on those as well....And, frankly, I do not want President Obama to govern the way Bush/Cheney "governed", do you?

Bush/Cheney did not have a Senate who put ruining the president before the good of the country.

We live in a Democratic Republic...not a dictatorship.

[rury]

41. BO cannot ENACT Democratic policies over a Rethug House

and Conservadems.
Read up on civics....or just admit that you set a higher bar for a black president than you have for white ones.
You want President Obama gone...it's crystal clear.

[Skittles]

6. it's a crushing realization how fucking STUCK we are, teddy

that, combined with the realization of just how much opportunity has been SQUANDERED, makes our head spin. :(

[Supersedeas]

52. and a fundamental confrontation with how far right the Democratic Party has drifted

lead by Wasserman-Schultz and the Max Baucuses in the Party leadership.

[polmaven]

53. Would you enlighten me, please,

on what opportunity which could actually have passed in the Senate was "squandered" by the president?

[Sheepshank]

72. Yes, I'd like to know what was squadered too.

thanks in advance.

[gateley]

8. I don't think there are any answers that would solve that

dilemma.

I'm one of the ones who will vote for Obama come hell or high water, so that's another reason why I can't speak for those who feel differently.

I don't think there's a resolution to this, to be honest.

And welcome to DU, teddy51!

[tinrobot]

9. We support Obama and take back Congress

Taking back Congress being the key. Elect more progressives to pull Obama to the left.

[CakeGrrl]

11. +1. THIS is the key.

Despite what some think, we aren't going to go far by putting a different Dem in the WH while the House is in GOP/Tea Party control. How people think THAT will suddenly bring the Tea Party to heel escapes me.

[Auntie Bush]

30. +1

[jberryhill]

14. +1

[WheelWalker]

19. +1

:kick:

[Cosmocat]

47. OR, we can throw the democratic president under the bus ...

Gee, what would REPUBLICANS DO?

EITHER WAY ...

YES - get the house back and try to push back in the senate ...

[polmaven]

54. I think it is more like

we elect more progressives to allow President Obama to come back to the left.

[Fla Dem]

68. But w/o those Blue Dog Dems. n/t

[Sheepshank]

73. Abso-fucking-lutely +1

Anything and everything for a Dem win on a ticket IMHO.

[CakeGrrl]

10. THAT is the question, as yet unanswered

All the usual DU 'short listers' are already on record as either

1) Supporting the President's re-election
2) Saying they won't challenge
3) Saying that while a primary challenge would be a good idea in their minds, THEY aren't the person who would actually do it.



So...

[ZombieHorde]

12. Gary Gygax. All policy will be decided by a die roll.

1. Socialist policy
2. Liberal policy
3. Center left policy
4. Center right policy
5. Conservative policy
6. Libertarian policy

[boppers]

38. No, for DU, you need a d20.

6 options is not nearly enough.

:evilgrin:

[Sherman A1]

85. Might need a D30 or D100

I think I still have my Zocchihedron here somewhere.........

[ClassWarrior]

17. Not many. Just a handful of trolls.

NGU.

[Uben]

22. I try to take it all in and keep an open mind......

Without dissent, there is no change. And, that is a point some here dwell on, of which I understand. I'm not one. But, they may be right for all I know. I don't pretend to know what I don't know, but I suspect some do.

[Deep13]

24. That is the question.

For now, the answer is we are stuck with Obama because the alternative is worse.

[FrenchieCat]

25. You're shitting me, right?

:wow:

Check out the vision some have!
http://joewo.com/WordPress/?p=9293

[TacticalPeek]

27. You make it sound as if we are stuck with rotten choices.

It looks to me like we are.

It might be nice to do something about not getting stuck anymore with rotten choices.

[teddy51]

28. We are stuck with rotten choices, and it comes down to what is the worst choice. n/t

[TacticalPeek]

29. Does that sound like a path to success?

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

31. I don't know...

Do I want a teeny tiny piece of chicken, or do I want to starve to death?

You tell me.

[JuniperLea]

70. Well stated, FC...

"All or Nothing at All" is merely an awesome Frank Sinatra tune and shouldn't be used as a political meme.

[teddy51]

32. I seriously don't think that we are bound to find sucess, in our political future!

I only see us finding the least of damage to our middle class citizens. Wish I could be more positive, but it's not in the cards.

[TacticalPeek]

33. "Wish I could be more positive"

That is precisely why we must act to get better choices.

[teddy51]

34. Agree. But for the moment, it is what it is. n/t

[TacticalPeek]

35. Look beyond this moment. Look to the next election cycle, and the next.

Sometimes one must sacrifice and struggle in the present and defer the greater payoff that comes once the way is made for it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. Oh boy. It's scary that you really believe this. Another reason I have to constantly....

remind myself that DU is not the real world. See Sid Dithers sig line.

"Sometimes one must sacrifice and struggle in the present and defer the greater payoff that comes once the way is made for it."

Yeah, because it worked so well in 2000. :eyes:

[bigwillq]

39. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

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[JoeyT]

43. Many don't actually want him gone.

Of course many of his most ardent supporters assume that people that complain about him on here complain about him that way IRL. Most of us don't. I get called a basher on here and a part of the Obama cult irl. You're supposed to be able to defend your guy to outsiders while asking others in your group "What the hell is he thinking?". Apparently that's no longer allowed. I already heard how it was unpatriotic to criticize the president before, and I don't like it any better when it's my side saying it.

[w0nderer]

88. +1 from few poster long lurker n/t

[shireen]

44. oh, give me a break .... do you really believe that crap?

I expect President Obama to act like a progressive Democrat. When he doesn't, I won't hesitate to call him out on it. That's what most people are doing in posts that are critical of him.

Most of us will vote for him in 2012 because we don't have a choice -- the alternative is orders of magnitude worse. So give us a break and let us scream out our frustrations ... all we have left are our voices.

If you really want to know how many people won't vote for Pres. Obama, do a poll. You'll find that the majority of DU'ers WILL vote for him. We may be critical of him, but we're not insane enough to let a teabagger win the WH.

[deacon_sephiroth]

48. ^ that right there n/t

[mkultra]

58. and there it is.

[Martin Eden]

65. Thanks.

Now I don't have to write what you just did.

[lamp_shade]

45. Most are Kucinich or HRC fans and have NEVER supported Obama.

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[lamp_shade]

60. OUCH!!

Was that necessary?

[SwampG8r]

111. it must seem so easy

from that high horse you are on
come down here and work with me for an election cycle
walk in our comfortable shoes for a mile
you get victory in your area without even trying i bet
here we get all the trying and none of the winning

blame the victim much?

[polmaven]

57. The vast majority of

HRC supporters followed her lead and DO support the president. Please let us get over the primaries of 2008 and focus on electing enough progressives in Congress to do what the House of
Representatives did from January 2009 to December 2010, and pass progressive legislation for the president to sign.....OK?

[mkultra]

59. i agree but.

I think its clear that the extended primary did create a rift that has had trouble healing completely.

[treestar]

62. Exactly. when OP has been around while, he will get to

see the bi-monthly "What would be happening if HRC had won?" posts and the biweekly "Hillary for VP" posts.

[MrMickeysMom]

101. How do you get that assumption

"most are"... I wonder how you could assume that?

This is an assumption, true?

For example, I was not as follow through as my spouse was in examining Illinois voting records or the extent to what degree community development BO was devoted to. I just had to make a decision, and in the end, it was not HRC, it was BO. So, he voted reluctantly, and I bought the "hope".... cried when I saw Jessie Jackson cry, talked him up among my stronger Democratic friends who were more reluctant to vote anyone but HRC.

Oh, and I was an early Kucinich supporter... Also, a really big Deaniac in 04, but I get away from calling you out for your assumptions

I don't fit into your assumption. I became disappointed in Obama the old fashioned way.... He EARNED it.

[Logical]

49. -1for excessive drama

[vaberella]

76. Where are you reading the drama? Shit, I'd like to know who people are advocating for.

I have heard of primarying Obama...but I haven't seen much on who should the candidate be---when Kucinich is known not to have a chance and HRC has said she won't be running again.

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[treestar]

61. Obama is not liberal enough for them

And they believe that Rs being in office will take things to such an extreme that the people will revolt. They will then get this "revolution" that they want, whether sincerely or just to observe the drama.

That's how the thinking goes. Either that, or R operatives just trying to get everyone down.

[GeorgeGist]

64. If you're certain that the rich will save America ...

then vote for Obama.

[Sheepshank]

74. If you're certain the Mega rich with save America, vote Republican.

[atheistprogress]

66. ill vote for him.

but ill speak my mind, if the president acts in a way that is contrary to what he says, or contrary to the principals i espouse, I'm going to talk about it. Not just here but with real people at the bar.

[wicket]

67. Did Rove send you?

*ducks*

LINK

[otohara]

75. We Go To South Carolina - DNC Convention

President Barack Obama will accept the nomination of the Democratic Party and it's off to victory over the bagger-boy from Texas.

[slay]

81. I want a primary challenger

Obama needs to answer for his betrayal of the American People while at the same time making sure corporations, big banks, the super rich, the war machine, etc are all doing great! he sickens me with his lies. :puke:

[krispos42]

84. In the ideal universe...

...Obama would choose not to run again in 2012, Bernie Sanders would join the Dems and win the primary, and on January 20th , 2013 we'd all be cheering for President Sanders.

[hulka38]

86. Tear down the DLC controlled Democratic Party

and take the Party back. Lefties have followed this group from dead end to dead end. The DLC has caused tremendous damage to progressive causes and credibility. It seems clear to me that a lot of the damage was done on purpose. How else can one explain the ineptitude in governance and contempt for the left. Time for the DLC to hand over the wheel and get behind us for the good of the Party. Of course, they will never do this because they don't believe in Democratic causes. They are at their heart, cons. True Democrats cannot fight the GOP while the DLC rules the Democratic Party. Therefore, the first order of business must be to take the Party back.

[Vattel]

87. Let me get this straight.

You are asking DUers who not only don't want Obama reelected, but also don't want a primary challenge and don't want a Republican, "What do you want?"
No wonder you haven't got an answer. There are no such DUers. They are a figment of your imagination.

[mistertrickster]

90. Nobody wants that, and I'm one of his biggest critics.

Unrecc'd for blatant straw man fallacy . . .

[bertman]

92. ". . . bold post from a newbie...." Not so bold actually. If you read the content

of many of the threads on this site you would know, without a bit of doubt, exactly what people are saying. And it's not what you insinuate here.

If I UNrecced threads this would be one I would UNrec.

[Historic NY]

93. Welcome & buckle up it get bumpy in here....

ps : nice post.:smoke:

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[mistertrickster]

100. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil. nt

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[Honeycombe8]

112. You've hit the nail on the head. Some just offer problems, but no solutions.

They are out in full force in this forum.

[Bake]

114. I don't want him gone... I want him to act like a DEMOCRAT.

That's pretty simple.

Bake