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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:00 PM
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We may be extremely upset with Obama....

...but the alternatives, at this point, are unthinkable.


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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:02 PM
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1. right...
A repub president could repeal all the very progressive things Obama did in office www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:03 PM
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2. As I said to someone, I'll happily vote for the lesser of two
evils (their words) than the GREATER of two evils! I'm not stupid.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:11 PM
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4. I've voted for the lesser of two evils most of my life
I've rarely been disappointed.

The closest I came was when I voted for Johnson over Goldwater only to see him turn the Vietnam conflict into the biggest clusterfuck in US history (up to that time anyway). But even then I had to consider WTF would Goldwater have done that would have been any different?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:09 PM
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3. VOTE FOR OBAMA!
HE'S NOT AS BAD AS THE OTHERS!!! :D
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:11 PM
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5. Really sucks...
Clinton was not anywhere near close to being as progressive as Obama and yet it's Obama that takes the heat from the PL and not Clinton...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:25 PM
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10. What's a PL?
P.S. Clinton was also a raging triangulator that was effectively a Republican.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:44 PM
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14. A Progressive Lion?


:shrug:

I dunno. I can never figure out Rape-Publican doublespeak.

NGU.



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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:54 AM
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22. Progressive Left?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:22 AM
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23. Professional Left
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 10:20 PM
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30. Clinton was cooler
I like a president that's like me, horny. :)
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:13 PM
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6. Is that the royal we?
Because a lot of us are not so upset. If you just survey the posts at DU you might think everybody is upset, but you'd be getting a pretty skewed vision of what's going on.

People may well be upset with the general state of the economy and various things going on in various places, and especially with Republican obstructionism and game-playing that is causing the economy to stall, etc. But not everybody is upset with Obama.

Just sayin'.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:19 PM
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7. Yup and Obama knows it. nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:23 PM
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9. If that's the reality, then that's the reality and we have to begin
to get ready for 2016. We'll have four years to either get a third party going, really get behind real progressives, whatever.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:31 PM
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12. Most DUers and most D. activists thought they were doing that...
...last time.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:49 PM
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15. I understand. But that shouldn't stop us from trying again. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:23 PM
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8. So we're being hostaged by the President into voting for him?
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 10:26 PM by MannyGoldstein
That's just swell.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:43 PM
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13. I am tired of it also

But what do we have at the Presidential level?


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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 11:05 PM
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17. ......
Never voted for lesser of two evils - never will.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:22 AM
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19. So you are OK
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 05:23 AM by quaker bill
with the greater of two evils? I have been voting for a long time and have never to my knowledge voted for a candidate I fully agreed with, because I have never had the option. I have always voted in every election for the candidates I felt would do the least harm.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:29 PM
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28. That has never been good enough
for me.
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ifyousayso Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:38 AM
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20. "Perfect is the enemy of good"
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 08:41 AM by ifyousayso
So what will you do? Stay home? I think dropping out and not voting is like neglecting a civic responsibility. We could very well end up going "from the frying pan into the fire."
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:28 PM
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27. I'll support and vote for my
local democrats - the ones that want what I want for this country.
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ifyousayso Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:59 PM
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16. "Prisoner of circumstances" but also a weak leader
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 11:01 PM by ifyousayso
I voted for Obama, but I am extremely disappointed with him. I am sad to say he has turned out to be a very weak leader. I think he has good intentions, but not the leadership skills needed for the job.

I think he's too nice, too quick to compromise, and willing to give up too much. For example, Obama reportedly said, "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states." Regardless of whether you agree with that statement or not is irrelevant. My point is that it would be absolutely foolish for anyone to cede so much of what his adversary wants before the negotiations even begin. Make your adversary negotiate for what he wants. Don't just give it away immediately.

While I am disappointed in Obama, I also recognize he is working against very strong forces. The economy is in the tank. The Democrats no longer control both houses of Congress. Big business and Wall Street both support conservatives (what's new?). There's a radical conservative movement. And...the rotten cherry on top is covert racism against the president. As I heard former President Clinton said recently, "When you're president, you have more power to help more people, but you also are the prisoner of circumstances as well, and countervailing political forces more."

Despite all that, I think if Obama were a stronger leader, he would hold up better in the fight. Sadly, I don't think Obama has what it takes to rouse people in the current economic situation. I don't know who writes his speeches, but they are horribly limp. It's too bad Obama doesn't have Winston Churchill to write his speeches.

When it comes down to it, though, I will "hold my nose" and vote for Obama in the next election.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 12:06 AM
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18. I'll be voting for President Obama
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 12:07 AM by LatteLibertine
I'd rather not be ruled by the Koch brothers through Perry and the GOP.

What they have planned for the average citizen is fairly grim.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:52 AM
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21. sigh
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 08:53 AM by Marrah_G
I first ended up voting for Hillary in the primaries because I thought she was the lesser of two evils (although now I am convinced she would have been practically identical).

Then Obama convinced me to believe in hope and change. I thought MAYBE, just maybe this guy was "the One".

Now I am back to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Someone tell me...where does that get us in the end?

When do I get to actually vote for someone who is on our side :(
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:39 AM
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24. He WAS the first candidate in quite a while
that I felt I was voting FOR, and not just holding my nose and voting against the other guy.

I will vote for him again, but it will be with nostrils plugged.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 11:11 AM
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25. And that makes a really great bumper sticker!
Hope and change? No. "The alternative is worse."

Yeah, that'll work. Talk to me the day after Election Day.

Bake
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 11:45 AM
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26. Sorry, but I'm not "extremely upset with Obama"

Nice try. I will gladly support him.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:45 PM
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29. I am NOT upset with President Obama. I will proudly vote for Obama in 2012 :)




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