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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:28 PM
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Not at all impressed, he's just a conservative in a "blue" wrapper.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:28 PM by Lionessa
I wonder how many who were vocally against the Georgia work-for-your-unemployment bennies, now think it's a great idea because Obama mentioned it. I'm not hearing ANYTHING at all hopeful. Medicare/SS/Medicaid reform, slave labor from those unemployed, tax cuts that haven't worked yet after about 5 years and two administrations trying it, reduce regulation to get projects started instead of demanding more funding for the agency(ies) that oversees in order to make sure the projects are executed safely and soundly, the only democratic idea I've heard yet is to tax the wealthy..... complete bullshit.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:29 PM
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1. Aww...
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:32 PM by jefferson_dem
Sorry. :nopity:
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:25 PM
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63. Zing!
Tough for the OP to rebut such a devastating takedown. Well done!:eyes:
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:35 PM
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110. You really are WAY overpaid .nt.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:30 PM
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2. someones angy
:nopity:
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:31 PM
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4. Politicians can't make me angry, but I'm sure disappointed. I should be used to disappointment from
Obama by now though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:32 PM
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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:33 PM
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52. I'm sure the new true conservative President
Rick Perry or Mitt Romney will cheer you up.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:12 AM
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83. When I'm being screwed, I don't find any comfort in knowing it's from
those on the side I aligned with, if anything it's more discouraging than getting screwed by the enemy.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:16 AM
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97. And we should be used to your expressing your "disappointment"
by now.

:nopity:



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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:21 AM
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98. You arrived at DU angry, disappointed and bitter
and to pretend otherwise is just a lie.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:30 PM
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3. Well dear, if the only horse in the barn is a mule, we're going to ride it.
'Cuz God knows that the rest of the 4 hooved animals in that barn are only going to kick us in the head.

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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:32 PM
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6. Is that supposed to actually mean something? Is it your countrified way of saying
the lesser of available evils? If not that, then you make no sense to me.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:33 PM
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8. Think it over. Eventually you'll get it.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:39 PM
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19. Not my job to unscramble your mess of words. If you don't want to be understood, no prob.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM
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22. Well don't worry. You'll get a fight with someone tonight. Just not me!
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:52 PM
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35. I don't fight, I only opine. It is just the internet and getting in anyway emotional
about the back and forth of ideas seems un-Democratic to me.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:11 AM
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82. I got it right away.
:think:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:49 PM
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67. Lesser of evils...very negative way of looking at it...
Guess you are a glass half empty person.

I say President Obama is the BEST of the choices we have.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:08 AM
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95. Is "countrified" your way...
Of issuing a condescending smarmy assed insult? I think it is. Welcome to ignore, oh sockpuppet.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:22 AM
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99. Hoperfully...
it's only here temporarily.

If it talks and spells like a moran..... :shrug:

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:32 PM
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5. Did you think he was going to write you a check,
and nationalize the corporations?

The speech is not even over,
and here you are.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:34 PM
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9. No, I thought he might finally be prepared to bring forth actual Democratic
ideas and principles to the fore and dare the Repubs to quash it. Instead he brings them all their own ideas, as bad as they are, and as useless as they've been to date....Disgusting.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. I think you've got your Democratic policies confused with
the president pulling jobs out of his ass.

Don't answer,
cause I've already heard your opinion.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #9
72. curious. what ideas and principles. n/t.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:13 AM
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84. Yeah, I don't think Obama has any. n/t
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #84
108. what are the ideas and principles of the democratic party. n/t.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:34 PM
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10. I was wondering how long it was going to take the Droopy crowd
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:36 PM by Arkana
to show up.

Defending unions and collective bargaining, angling to extend unemployment benefits, offer incentives to companies who hire vets and the long-term unemployed...yeah, he's just a filthy Republican. You lot are so myopic I don't know how you get through the day without punching walls.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:35 PM
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12. I'm calling total bullshit on this one.
Too obvious.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:38 PM
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16. Must be nice to be judgmental when you have financial stability and this
whole speech is nothing but politics to you.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:51 PM
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34. I was unemployed for two years and thanks to the Obama stimulus I got a new job.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:51 PM by Arkana
Gee, I can't imagine why I'd be loyal to this President, can you?

Maybe you should think before you open your flapping trap.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:53 PM
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36. Then you are one of very few. Like I said, it's easy to be judgmental
when you are only politically interested. Were you one of the 100s of thousands still unemployed, you might be singing a tune similar to mine.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:34 PM
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45. it's easy to be judgmental PERIOD.
It isn't surprising that people who are hurting look for someone to blame. You are hurting and claim that gives you the right to summarily dismiss the President, and to judge those who don't share your perspective as coming from people who aren't unemployed or suffering under todays situation. :shrug:

Well, there are some of us out here who are hurting- and who aren't singing "your" tune.

There are more than a few decisions that Pres. Obama has made which I don't like and disagree with. But he is not solely responsible for whether this country/society/nation gets our shit together. Endlessly complaining about our situation is self-defeating imo.

Many of us are more than "politically interested"- to imply that disagreeing with you means that you are 'doing ok' financially and otherwise is just plain wrong- and very "judgemental".



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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:13 AM
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96. I always get back...
What I give. I am so glad I've kept my head on straight whenever you and I have butted heads because you have this basic personality trait of being an extremely genuine human being that just floors me

Sometimes you just knock my socks off! This is one of them.

:hug:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:42 PM
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104. geez
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 01:44 PM by Bluerthanblue
thanks JuniperLea.

:hug:

sometimes I'm a genuine jerk- (too often) :crazy:

It's good to 'see' you friend.

Hope you are well.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 03:36 PM
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107. Me too...
Maybe we are a lot alike, and that's what causes us to be a jerk to each other:)

I'm good... broken leg nearly healed... looking forward to sweater season:D

Hope you are well too.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:35 PM
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11. You forgot more Free Trade BS.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:37 PM
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13. He hadn't quite gotten there when I posted. I lost all hope when
he promoted that Georgia free-labor scheme.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:37 PM
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15. Quote? Check out this fact: "WTO Upholds Obama’s Tire Industry Relief Decision"
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:38 PM
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17. We also make money off exports.
We set a record in July for exports, built by American labor, American farmers, employing Americans.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:37 PM
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14. Public high schools, infrastructure projects, the GI Bill--yeah, just sounds so REPUBLICAN.
:sarcasm:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:39 PM
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18. Yeah, Pres. Obama's championing collective bargaining rights is just so "conservative"!!
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:40 PM by ClarkUSA
:sarcasm:
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:40 PM
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20. Have you not noticed how vague those comments are versus the actual
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM by Lionessa
plans (mostly republican in style) he's promoting? Does no one have any kind of critical listening skills/
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM
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23. Prove it. Quote the "actual plans he's promoting" and show how the ideas are "conservative".
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:42 PM
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26. Let's start with the idea that the unemployed need to work in a republican
Georgia style work program.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:54 PM
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39. What did he actually say? I'm not interested in your rhetoric.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:55 PM by ClarkUSA
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:39 PM
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56. What will he actually do? I'm not interested in his rhetoric.
He sounded great on the campaign trail in 2007 - and he sounds great again. Fool me once blah blah blah.

He is definitely a good speech maker, but unfortunately he has proved himself a poor leader.

We shall see.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:43 PM
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27. Like he did in Wisconsin?
Or all the teachers unions he threw under the bus?

I guess his poll numbers aren't plummeting fast enough. The ones in the real league. Not the fantasy league.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:47 PM
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31. Exactly! And in this speech, what he said was vague, no actual plan, just an idea, but
he has plenty of plans to give republicans what they want... less regualtion, no problem let's hide that under a school improvement program, even less regulation, great let's hide that in an infrastructure bill. Let's pretend that giving tax breaks for hiring citizens works, and furthermore let's pretend that giving even more breaks when on hires a long-term unemployed works... it hasn't in 4 years, but let's try again. DUH!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:48 PM
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32. I hope your rage keeps you warm at night.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 02:26 PM
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106. Yeah, something better keep people warm after the President's cuts to LIHEAP.
It's too bad rage can't feed the babies whose WIC he cut.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:56 PM
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40. He expressed his support, which unions appreciated. WTF else did you expect him to do?
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 06:56 PM by ClarkUSA
Not one of the WI Dem lawmakers complained about President Obama during the entire time they were gone or after they returned. Why are you?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:54 PM
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46. In fact, he was asked to stay away. Public opinion was on their side,
and they didn't want an Obama vs. Walker media frenzy to detract from that.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:32 PM
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51. I'm sure all those teachers in Rhode Island told him and Arne to stay away too.
In fact, I think they were pretty specific on where they should go.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:35 PM
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53. And for whom did they vote in the midterms? Some of our wounds are self inflicted, like WI.
Deal with it! ;)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. WHAT? He ordered the DNC to stop helping in Wisconsin.
What the HELL was that about?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM
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21. *fingers in ears* la la la la la la la
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:41 PM
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24. You Know He's Still Talking - maybe you should WAIT
until the end of the speech to declare the president is a republican.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:44 PM
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28. I declared that he's mainly embracing republican solutions, and he is.
Waiting for him to finish, didn't change my mind. He said nothing further that is in anyway encouraging with specific details. The only detailed type information came when he discussed republican ideas he's choosing to promote.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:44 PM
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29. You don't have the slightest idea of what he said...
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:50 PM
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33. We may disagree with our interpretations, but I have a real clear idea based on his
previous speeches and subsequent actions exactly what he said. I understand how some here may still be in a hopeful state, I have no doubt either they don't need to be hopeful because this is all just political to them, but those are hopeful and really need this speech to be something, will be disappointed I predict.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:45 PM
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30. What a surprise!
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:53 PM
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37. Based on the time stamp, you rushed to tell us how "unimpressed" you are ...
before he finished the fucking speech. Stunning.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Yes, isn't that interesting?
Very interesting.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:57 PM
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47. You found that interesting too? Hmmmmmm......
;)
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1StrongBlackMan Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
68. Well ...
That's not so difficult ... when you already have your talking points before the President entered the Chambers.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:07 PM
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70. >>>>>
;)
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #70
100. wrong place/wrong response
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 11:33 AM by Sheepshank
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 06:54 PM
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38. If this was so bad why did Boehner look like he ate the worlds sourest pickle?
The man looked seriously unhappy.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:06 PM
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42. You're very good at spinning things negatively before you even know what they are.
"Georgia" style, eh? And in one post you slid from "Work for your unemployment" to "slave labor". You think there's nothing to reform re Medicaid and Medicare? Nothing? Or are you leading the question with your assumption you know what those reforms are? And if so, DO tell.

The speech was brilliant in that it did an end run around exactly the kinds of things you're asserting. But it is just a speech thus far and to freak out over what sounds like potentially an interesting plan tips your hand as having rage that comes from something else.

So what good does that do? How does it help? What are you doing to help?
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:07 PM
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43. I'm not at all impressed with this bullshit OP
OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 07:07 PM
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:02 PM
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48. Well, I guess we cancel each other out...
because I thought it was a good plan.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:13 PM
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49. Naysay naysay naysay. Take a med.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:16 PM
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50. Bullshit. You weren't listening. -> Trumka: In Speech, Obama ‘Goes to the Mat’ to Create New Jobs
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:37 PM
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54. I suspect nothing would have impressed you.
This was about as good as it gets given the circumstances. You should focus your anger on the Republicans who dont want to do anything about creating jobs because they simply want this President to fail.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:42 PM
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58. Truth! It's not too hard to see who's obstructing the pursuit of happiness.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:41 PM
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57. what exactly Would impress you?
please tell us. and keep in mind that orange freak in the background is going to do everything he can to keep you as sour on the President as you are.

tell us, what would impress you?
something that can actually be done, not some wishful thinking that the media and the pugs are sure to hammer into the ground and twist into something vile.
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1StrongBlackMan Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:08 PM
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71. I suspect ...
You will not get another response. I also suspect, someone is in that place that shall not be named, bragging about successfully pulling off "Operation Fake-A-Lib."
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:43 PM
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59. You are absolutely right.
We are in for a world of additional pain as a result of this Third Way bullshit.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. There, there. Perhaps these will make you feel better?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:04 PM
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61. Apparently it was more important to come to the internet to bash Our President
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 09:05 PM by Tx4obama

than to first listen to ALL of the speech.

Unrec'd due to unnecessary negativity.

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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #61
74. Surprisingly I can do both at the same time. My ears and my hands
can both function at the same time. No wonder so many here are so challenged if they haven't figured out how to do this yet.

Practice practice, you'll be able to some day.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:15 PM
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62. You posted this message when the speech was just minutes old
Troll
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:38 PM
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64. It really saddens me to see a DUer speak her/his mind, share an opinion, and get attacked personally
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 09:47 PM by Skip Intro

it's like you can't have an opinion about Obama that differs from the self-appointed inquisition without having snide remarks and thinly-veiled personal attacks come from all sides . This kind of intimidation, this kind of attempt to ridicule and harass others into silent submission, or just silence, is seriously un-Democratic, and unbecoming of this board. Squelching dissent is something the wacko right does. It is very sad to see such attempts here.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. Do free speech rights really apply on a privately held message board?
I mean, if they did, no one could ever get banned, NO? :shrug: And do you feel this way when the attacks come from Obama critics?
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:09 AM
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80. Perhaps the most discouraging part of the entire evening, no doubt.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:24 AM
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87. Read comment #77. Yep, they come from ALL sides n/t

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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #64
90. I Completely Agree With You....n/t
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:38 PM
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65. free country
Vote for someone else.
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1StrongBlackMan Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 09:49 PM
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66. Did you ...
Forget the sarcasm thingy?

Or are you just lost?
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:42 PM
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73. Just very very very discouraged by the speech and by the president's choices.
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1StrongBlackMan Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:48 PM
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75. Well ...
I hope you find what you are looking for. But I suspect that unless you receive a personal reference from PRESIDENT OBAMA for a job that you can start tomorrow ... you will continue being very, very, very discouraged.

Good luck
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:07 AM
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91. You Know...
...that is just a terrible thing to say. It was completely unnecessary and mean spirited. I don't understand people anymore.

-P
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1StrongBlackMan Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:29 PM
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109. Maybe so ...
Though I do not believe my post was particularly mean-spirited.

If this critic had said ... "This plan may or might not put a bunch of people to work in the construction trades, but that doesn't do much for me, so I'm still discouraged." I would have understood. But I have trouble with people posting on-line critisms of PRESIDENT OBAMA's Jobs Plan 10 minutes into the speech using rightwing talking points.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. what sort of couragement do you feel about the lowlife Repugs?
Edited on Thu Sep-08-11 11:50 PM by Whisp
must go down to further than the earth's core, no?

I would advise you spend your angst on those fuckers.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:59 PM
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77. That was the topic yesterday, today it's the president.
The entire USA system of election, system of governance, judicial system, and enforcement systems are just plain discouraging no matter who's running them anymore. Everyone seems to just get bought and paid for so quickly and so thoroughly.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:03 AM
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78. can't disagree with you too much on that, overall.
but poking at the guy who is trying to make some positive headway is counter productive.

swear at the right people.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:06 AM
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79. Doing the same as has already been being done and more republican
talking points and plans isn't positive headway to my way of thinking. I worry when I hear other democrats say that it's now acceptable just because Obama offered them.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:10 AM
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81. what republican would do these things?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=762403


This is a summation of the first two years of the Obama Administration's accomplishments to remind us all about what it means to have the majority in Congress that can actually pass legislation and effect the kind of change that guided the State of our country's affair in the right path. Whether we like what the Obama Administration accomplished or not is beside the point but it takes a majority to push for something as we had witnessed during the first two years of the Obama Administration.

This is also a reminder about why we need to reverse the power structure in 2011 by electing more and better Democrats to achieve more of what we had started in the first two years of this Administration. I understand some folks will try to undermine the progress we have made but we must highlight them so that the false narrative of some does not feel like the reality.

Share it to all that you think will help inform and to those who appreciate what we have accomplished in the first two years of the Obama Administration. And, tell 'em that these were all possible because we had Democratic Majority and why it is important not to be complaisant come election 2012.

The accomplishments of the first two years of the Obama Administration:


On reducing and assisting people that have become victims of the increased poverty made worse by economic crisis


1) A $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as Food Stamps.

2) A $1 billion in funding for the Community Services Block Grant (CSBG) that is intended to revitalize low-income communities via "Job training and placement assistance", "Financial literacy programs", et al, to helping families become self-sufficient.

3) A $2 billion in new Neighborhood Stabilization Funds that will allow ailing neighborhoods be kept maintained.

4) A $1.5 billion in Homelessness Prevention Funds to keep people in their homes and prevent homelessness.

5) A $5 billion increase for the Weatherization Assistance Program to help low income families save on their residential energy expenditures by making their homes more energy efficient.

6) A $4 Billion program, The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010, "authorizes funding for federal school meal and child nutrition programs and increases access to healthy food for low-income children."

7) As part of the HCR bill, subsidies will be available to the uninsured and families with income between the 133 percent and 400 percent of poverty level($14,404 for individuals and $29,326 for a family of four).

8) Estabilished Open Doors to end the 640,000 men, women and children who are homeless in America by 2020.

9) Increased the amount of federal Pell Grant awards so that funds are available to those with less access to have opportunity.

10) Provided $510 Million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing.

11) Expanded eligibility for Medicaid to all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level ($14,400 per year for an individual).

12) Providing assistance to low-income workers through the Earned Income Tax Credit giving millions of working families the break they need.

13) Education being the way out of Poverty, kicked off the "Race to the Top", a $4.3 billion program, that rewards via grants to States that meet a few key benchmarks for reform, and states that outperform the rest.


On Health Care Reform


1) Coverage can’t be denied to children with pre-existing conditions.

2) Adults up to age 26 can stay on their parents’ health plans.

3) Free preventive care.

4) Rescinding coverage is now illegal.

5) Eliminating lifetime limits on insurance coverage.

6) Restricting annual limits on insurance coverage.

7) More options to appeal coverage decisions.

8) $5 billion in immediate federal support to affordable Coverage for the Uninsured with Pre-existing Conditions.

9) $10 billion investment in Community Health Centers.

10) Create immediate access to re-insurance for employer health plans providing coverage for early retirees.

11) Made an $80 billion deal with the pharmaceutical industry to contribute to cut prescription drug costs for the nation’s seniors reduce the size of the "donut hole" in the Medicare (Part D) Drug Benefit.

12) Provides a $250 rebate to 750,000 Medicare Beneficiaries who reach the Part D coverage gap in 2010. As of March 22, 2011, 3.8 million beneficiaries had received a $250 check to close the coverage gap, according to an HHS report.

13) Businesses with fewer than 50 employees will get tax credits covering up to >35% of employee premiums effective 2011 and a 50% tax credit effective 2013.

14) Creates a state option to provide Medicaid coverage to childless adults with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level. By 2014, States are required to provide this coverage.

15) Provides a 10% Medicare bonus payment for primary care services and also a 10% Medicare bonus payment to general surgeons practicing in health professional shortage areas.

16) Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) requires that insurance companies spend at least 80 to 85 percent of the proportion of the premium dollars on clinical services. As an example, WellPoint's Anthem Blue Cross unit in California has reduced its proposed rate increase.


On Jobs and the Economy


1) The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) has worked. The Economy Has Been Growing - take a look at the graph of GDP growth between 2007 thru 2010.

2) The $787 billion economic stimulus package has created or saved nearly 2 million jobs slowing the bleeding

3) Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 that extended Unemployment benefits up to 20 weeks and more.

4) Provided $14.7 billion in small business loans increasing minority access to capital.

5) The $26 billion aid to states package preventing large-scale layoffs of teachers and public employees.

6) As of March 31, 2011, created 1.8 million Private sector jobs since Jan 2010.

7) US auto industry rescue plan saved at least 1 million jobs

8) Helped make the Auto Industry start making huge profits again with Ford sales up 19% over last year. GM up 11%. Chrysler up a whopping 31%.

9) Jobs for Main Street Act (2010)injected $27.5 Billion for Highways, $8.4 Billion for Transit into the country’s transportation system to create jobs and spur economic activity.

10) A $33 Billion Jobs Package that will allow Small businesses to get $5,000 tax credit for new hires.

11) A $26 billion State Aid Package Jobs Bill saving 300,000 teachers and public workers jobs from unemployment.

12) As part of the 2010 tax extension, Unemployment Insurance was extended to 7 million Americans who would have been without income.

On Banking and Financial Reform


1) Signed a sweeping bank-reform bill (the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act)into law

2) Managed the $700 Billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) that Banks have repaid more than 100% of TARP funds ($251 of the $245 banks owed) as of March 2011 exceeding the original investment by $6 billion.

3) Cuts Salaries of 65 Bailout Executives

4) Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes on companies that use the tax laws to ship American Jobs oversees. HR 4213.

5) Signed into law the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act to fight fraud in the use of TARP and recovery funds, and to increase accountability for corporate and mortgage frauds.

6) Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act


On Education


1) Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 that increased the amount of federal Pell Grant awards and enabled the stripping of banks privileges as intermediaries for student loan servicing saving the US government about $68 billion dollars over 11 years.

2) Created the Race to the Top Fund, a $4.35 billion program to reward States that submit the best proposals for change.

3) As part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, funded over $100 Billion for reforms to strengthen Elementary and Secondary education, early learning programs, college affordability and improve access to higher education, and to close the achievement gap.


On Energy


1) Implemented renewable fuels mandate of 36 billion gallons by 2022, four times what we currently consume.

2) Automakers will be required to meet a fleet-wide average of New Gas Mileage Standards at 35.5 MPH by 2016.

3) A $60 billion investment in renewable and clean energy.

4) developed a Biofuels Roadmap to determine the next steps in growing an advanced biofuels economy to meet the goal to use at least 36 billion gallons of bio-based transportation fuels by 2022 helping create more green energy jobs.

5) established EPA regulations which require large U.S. ships to cut soot emissions by 85 percent.

6) pledged via the Blueprint for a Secure Energy Future that in a decade from now to cut our oil dependency by one-third, and put America's energy future by producing more oil at home and reducing our dependence on oil by leveraging cleaner, alternative fuels and greater efficiency.


On Housing


1) $275 billion dollar housing plan - $75 billion dollars to prevent at-risk mortgage debtors already fallen victim to foreclosures and $200 billion to bring about confidence to offer affordable mortgages and to stability the housing market.

2) Established "Opening Doors" to end the homelessness of 640,000 men, women, and children in the United States in 10 years.

3) Provided $510 Million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing.

4) Provided $2 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization Program to rehab, resell, or demolish in order to stabilize neighborhoods.

5) Provided $5 billion for Weatherization Assistance Program for low income families to weatherize 1 million homes per year for the next decade.

6) Provided grants to encourage states and localities to take the first steps in implementing new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.


On Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security


1) giving $250 economic stimulus check to 55 million Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients in 2009.

2) Cutting prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap (“donut hole”) in coverage.

3) Passing as part of H.R.3962 (Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010) a $6.4 billion measure reversing a 21 percent cut in physician payments that would have started a flood of rejections by some doctors of seniors covered by Medicare.

4) Expanded eligibility for Medicaid to all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level ($14,400 per year for an individual).

5) Committed to ensuring that Social Security Budget Will Not Be Cut nor would change the retirement age.


On Military Veterans and Families


1) A $112.8 billion VA budget, an increase of 15.5 percent over 2009, the largest percentage increase for VA requested by a president in more than 30 years.

2) Implemented a strategic plan to increase the hiring of Veterans and Military spouses throughout the Federal civil service.

3) Provided for the expenses of families of to be at Dover AFB when fallen soldiers arrive.

4) Passed the Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009 increasing the rates of compensation for veterans with service-connected disabilities and the rates of dependency and indemnity compensation for the survivors of certain disabled veterans.

5) Declared the end of the war in Iraqi bringing back nearly 100,000 U.S. troops home to their families.

6) Donated 250K of Nobel prize money to Fisher House, a group that helps provide housing for families of patients receiving medical care at military and Veterans Affairs medical centers

7) Ended media blackout on war casualties; giving access to the return home of a dead US soldier for the first time since an 18-year ban on coverage was lifted.

8) Create a 'Green Vet Initiative' to promote environmental jobs for veterans

9) Signed into law the 2009 Military Spouses Residency Relief Act, that will allow military spouses to claim residency in the same state as their sponsor and retain that residency as long as the service member is in the military, in the process avoiding the states where they currently reside from taxing their earned income.

10) Signed the Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010


On LBGTQ issues


1) Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees

2) Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

3) Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights.

4) Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation's largest employer)

5) Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act and while more funding is needed per the 2012 proposed budget, an increase of $80 million to domestic and global HIV/AIDS programs committed

6) Extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover Gay employees taking unpaid leave to care for their children of same-sex partners

7) Lifted the HIV Entry Ban.

8) Implemented HUD Policies that Would Ban Discrimination Based On Gender Identity

9) Appointed the first ever transgender DNC member

10) Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)

11) Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept LGBT relationships from being counted

12) Extended domestic violence protections to LGBT victims

13) Repealed the Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) Discriminatory law.

14) Declared DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) unconstitutional and stopped Defending In Court

15) Endorsed a U.N. declaration calling for the worldwide decriminalization of gays and lesbians around the world in an efforts to make it a worldwide policy.

Tax deal extending Bush's tax cut for two years which often gets criticized will do the following


Damn it, the TAX DEAL is not PERMANENT

1) Keep $3,000 in tax savings annually

2) Unemployment Benefit for 7,000,000 Americans worth $56 Billion.

3) $2,500 in tax savings to help pay for college tuition and other expenses

4) A $2,000 payroll tax savings to someone making $100,000 or a $1,000 payroll tax savings at a 2% employee-side payroll tax cut for over 155 million workers

5) Child tax credit of $1,000 per child with the $3,000 maximum credit threshold.

6) Earned Income Tax Credit that will give on an average $600 in additional assistance to families with 3 or more children

7) A 65 percent tax credit to help cover the cost of COBRA for those who lost their jobs in the recession

8) forecast to creating approximately 1.6 million jobs increasing the GDP for 2011

9) extended the credit for adoption-related expenses that reduces families tax bill up to $13,170 in 2011 through 2012 with a maximum of $12,170 in credit.


Other Notables


1) signed the Health Package For 9/11 Responders bill that puts $4.3 billion into a fund to assist folks that are suffering from problems caused by breathed-in dust and debris during the 9/11 clean up.

2) signed into law a sweeping Food Safety Act bill that contains 18 major changes to food safety laws.

3) made an excellent choice selecting a new Chief of Staff, William Daley, who Eric London has made a super case for why it was a smart choice.

4) made a $78 billion spending cut to the U.S. military and defense department budget, including reducing the size of the Army and Marine Corps.

5) signed in to law the START Treaty with Russia, a sweeping new arms reduction pact that will reduce the stockpile nuclear weapons in both countries adding new verification plan.

6) The passage of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act enabling the rights of workers to sue employers over wage discrimination claims.

7) The expansion of SCHIP health-care program for children worth $33 Billion.

8) The declaration of two million more acres of wilderness in one of the most omnibus Public Lands bill.

9) Government Transparency as noted by Common Cause, Democracy 21, League of Women Voters and U.S. PIRG-- "The cumulative effect of the Administration's actions has been to adopt the strongest and most comprehensive lobbying, ethics and transparency rules and policies ever established by an Administration to govern its own activities". You can read full report in all of the seven areas the report is graded.

10) signed the Tribal Law and Order Act -- an important step to help the Federal Government better address the unique public safety challenges that confront tribal communities.


Source: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/so-that-ignorance...
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:15 AM
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85. Giving one liner lists claiming great successes and ignoring all the
crap that is also included in those bills is just as disingenuous as wingers picking one liners out of bills (like the mandate) to trash the bills. On the whole, Obama has not been the DEMOCRAT I thought I was electing and he claimed to be.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:22 AM
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86. are there any Democrats you like?
Given that life is full of disappointments along with glorious victories, is there anyone at all that passes your test?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:26 AM
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88. The question was: "what republican would do these things?" n/t
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:04 AM
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94. I dont see 'extended the Bush tax cuts for two more years' anywhere on the list
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 12:57 AM
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89. Agreed - but you'll never get anything but shit on here in GD:P for stating the truth
try reposting this in GD for much more open-minded responses.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 11:33 AM
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101. You mean GD is more accepting of endless negativity that advances absolutely nothing?
That's true.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:36 PM
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102. Sorry the truth hurts FC
but Obama is a horrible leader who only looks halfway decent when compared to the right wing loons the republicans are running. judged on his own actions, he's the worst Dems president in my lifetime. easily.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:52 PM
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105. this might be YOUR "truth"-
but it is far from being THE truth.

You seem to be confusing the concepts of opinion and facts. You are stating an opinion and calling it truth. can an opinion ever be a lie?

Pres. Obama isn't a "horrible leader" imo. And your lifetime is all you may have to base your opinion on, but it is hardly an accurate or fair measure of a President's value in terms of history. Not to mention that your perspective about his 'value' is not a truth, but again, an opinion.


My 28yr old son has only 'known' one Democratic Pres. :shrug:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 10:56 AM
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92. that's nice.
:shrug:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 10:56 AM
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93. that's nice.
:shrug:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 01:42 PM
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103. Foolish pov.
:thumbsdown:
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