I think it is my time..

[Peacetrain]

Take care and see you later kiddos.. Remember.. Vote every election and Vote Democratic.. We need you!

Emily and John.. the Peacetrains are pulling out

[catbyte]

1. It's your time to do what?

[trueblue2007]

89. have NO IDEA what the poster is saying.

[hlthe2b]

2. Way too kryptic, Peacetrain... Please clarify?

Time outs are fine, but don't desert us!

[Ineeda]

3. Please read your Kipling quote again, Peacetrain.

We need more like you, not less.

[daleanime]

4. Unh......how much later?

Details are important.

[JuniperLea]

5. It is disheartening...

I feel like I'm playing my last game of "how full will iggie go?"

I can't decide if a massive flameout is best, or a quiet retreat... eh. It doesn't really matter.

See you around, Emily! It's nice to know I will;)

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[Life Long Dem]

7. Just what the opposition wants.

They want us to tune out. You can tune out the media and politics and they win. I say fuck them and keep your eye on the enemy.

[elleng]

13. Yes, keep our eyes on the prize(s.)

MUST get them out of the House (and Senate.) His speech was a good start, imo.

[JTFrog]

8. And we need you too.

Don't ever let the haters make you think otherwise.

If they win, we are truly fucked. Proper fucked.

[dionysus]

9. sigh. mission accomplished for some folks.

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[DevonRex]

60. Yeah. Wish I'd kept count of how many

of us have had to make this decision.

[ClassWarrior]

63. Yup. The disruptors have driven away Obama supporters from both sides. It's a drag, isn't it?

NGU.

[kayakjohnny]

10. So long, Peacetrain.

Take care and all the best to you.

:hi:

[progressoid]

11. No no no

We need more Iowans here! Come back soon.

[cry baby]

12. dammit! you are one of about 3 bright spots left here at DU!

but if you are tired and you must go, then peace be with you and thanks for the encouraging spirit you have and that you've shared with us.

[TwilightGardener]

14. What? What is this?

Don't go! But if you do, we'll miss ya.

[Whisp]

16. goodbye Peacetrain. I might be following your tracks soon.

it's really toxic here, if I want some of that I could go to FreeRepublic.

[Bluerthanblue]

17. I've been crying lately....

....thinking about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating,
why can't we live in bliss

Cause out on the edge of darkness,
there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country,
come take me home again"


:grouphug:

I hope to still see you here when you feel up to it.- We need each other now more than ever. But we all know what our limits are.

Wishing you all good things~

blu

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[AtomicKitten]

22. Sorry but

vicious character assassination, mean spirited name-calling, exaggeration and flat out lying about policy, and attacks based on predictions or rumors made by irresponsible bloggers does not constitute "heated policy disputes."

What it does resemble, however, is the same caustic discourse of the teabaggers.

In the midst of a presidential election, throwing trash from the sidelines is what is out of place here, not the so-called cheerleading.

[yurbud]

24. can you give an example of the correct way to express a policy difference with the president without

''throwing trash from the sidelines''?

Also, what percentage of disagreement can you have with a pol before you are entitled to be disappointed?

[MissDeeds]

50. +1000

Honest criticism is not throwing trash, it is a necessary component of a functioning democracy.

[Lord Helmet]

68. honest criticism my buttcrack

[ClassWarrior]

73. And how is that helpful to the President?

NGU.

[Mr Deltoid]

82. Obama couldn't have said it better himself

nt

[CakeGrrl]

26. Some simply refuse to acknowledge the OBVIOUS difference. They simply ignore it

or pretend/claim the ugliness doesn't really happen, helped along by the fact that these rule-violating screeds are usually deleted so you can't link to the proof.

SMH at the intellectual dishonesty.

[ClassWarrior]

29. You're so right. But what'll be most productive for the President...

...is to ignore the ugliness, rather than diving in and ginning it up.

NGU.

[scheming daemons]

79. The OP has chosen to do just that. Ignore the toxicity... by leaving.

[Whisp]

27. +1 and a lot of zeroes.

:thumbsup:

[ClassWarrior]

28. Throwing trash from either side is irresponsible in a Presidential election. Don't you agree?

NGU.

[jefferson_dem]

31. There are a handful of posters here who do nothing but rant about how shitty Obama and the party are

If I believed they were expressing their honest, constructive criticisms in good faith, it would be fine. But I don't. It's obvious to me that some are here for the sole purpose of injecting disruption and breeding cynicism. And it's not surprising that some long-standing, productive DUers are losing their patience.

[ClassWarrior]

32. So why take their bait by engaging with them and generating more hostility?

And why transfer your anger toward the shitty behavior of this handful to other DUers who still think we should be allowed to constructively criticize our leaders in a civil USA?

:shrug:

NGU.

[jefferson_dem]

33. I don't "take their bait".

I do occasionally single out bullshittery when I see it, however.

[ClassWarrior]

34. Which is it?

NGU.

[jefferson_dem]

35. Which is what?

[ClassWarrior]

38. You say you don't take their bait in your title, and you say...

...you do take their bait - but only a little - in the body of your post.

Which is it?

NGU.

[jefferson_dem]

39. I don't agree with your premise that responding to posts and posters I disagree with is...

taking anyone's bait. Sorry.

[ClassWarrior]

40. Okay, which is it?

Responding to posts and posters you disagree with? Or singling out bullshittery when you see it?

NGU.

[jefferson_dem]

43. Whatever.

Now you're just playing word games. Good luck! :hi:

[ClassWarrior]

44. So you don't see a difference in tone?

I think we've found a key source of our problem.

NGU.

[CakeGrrl]

41. I'm with you - it's my prerogative to respond as I see fit.

If people don't like it, they can alert.

If it doesn't violate DU rules, people can rise above or otherwise learn to deal accordingly.

[ClassWarrior]

42. So you don't care if that reflects poorly on the President?

And why haven't you answered my question above?

NGU.

[Whisp]

57. and where does your reflection poorly land?

or are you the innocent and we the guilty, case closed?

[ClassWarrior]

62. Why? Do you feel singled out? Hey, if the shoe fits.

Show me where my behavior has reflected poorly on the President.

NGU.

[CakeGrrl]

94. The President has NOTHING to do with what I post.

You're going way overboard with this.

If someone is going to decide not to vote for this man because of something I said on a message board, they ain't too bright.

They had best be comparing the candidates who are in contention to occupy the White House after the 2012 election. Period.

[ClassWarrior]

46. So let me get this straight. What you're defending is your right to say any nasty thing you want...

...to anyone you want in retaliation for something nasty someone else said to you?

And how is that productive for the President?

NGU.

[JoePhilly]

55. Are your positions so weak that they would change if an Obama supporter is nasty to you?

I think that might be true.

I see that here on DU all the time.

Folks who clearly hate Obama scream bloody murder, and when they are called out, they claim "well, why should I vote for him when you are so mean to me!!!"

Talk about a weak position to hold!

"I won't vote for Obama because one of his supporters ON THE INTERNET, was NASTY to me!!!!"

What a %$#$%% ridiculous premise.

[ClassWarrior]

61. So you'd recommend we canvass for Obama by ridiculing and swearing at people who question any of...

...his decisions? David Axelrod, is that you??

:rofl:

NGU.

[JoePhilly]

76. Where did I say that?

We already know you aren't canvassing for him, which is a good thing, given you disapprove of him so vehemently. We're much better off not having you out there.

And I have no issue with those who question his decisions. And its pretty easy to talk to some one who's disagreements are reasonable. And its impossible to talk to those who have already made up their mind.

So for instance, if you are canvassing, and you find yourself at the door of a tea party nut, rather than waste time trying to turn them around, its better to move on.

Same would be true if you encounter a member of the angry left who have already decided they won't vote for Obama.

Of course I'm not standing at your front door, and DU posts are not canvassing.

[scheming daemons]

80. You're responding to strawman arguments... best to ignore

[JoePhilly]

81. I was bored, waiting for daughter to get dressed for softball game ...

lol

[CakeGrrl]

95. If you are serious about canvassing for Obama,

and of that I am highly skeptical, your time would be better spent sitting in on OFA conference calls, not hectoring people on a message board.

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[mtnsnake]

71. +1000

[CakeGrrl]

19. Can't say that I blame you

I think I'll hang out until POTUS is re-elected, then I'll be on my way. I can already predict the Lame-Duck-A-Palooza that will reverberate off the walls here in concert with the MSM, probably starting the day after the 2012 election.


:crazy:

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[scheming daemons]

78. Yep. You're right.

[lillypaddle]

20. Damn.

Don't let them run you off, we NEED you here. :cry:

If you have to, just make it so long for awhile, not goodbye, k?

[Inuca]

21. Hoping you'll reconsider

:hug: and especially :fistbump:

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[Wait Wut]

25. Great.

Damn. I wish TPM wouldn't have changed their site. This place is toxic.

[DFab420]

30. Goodbye and good luck. You may have more people walking those tracks soon too....

[Scurrilous]

36. Bye kiddo.

:thumbsup:

[great white snark]

37. "And the goodbye makes the journey harder still."

:(

[tallahasseedem]

45. No, no, no...

take a couple of weeks off and come back. Seriously, we need you around here!

[Mimosa]

83. I take time off every few weeks so I don't get too depressed

There are some people who consistently characterise reasoned disagreements as 'Obama bashing'. Well, gang, the welfare of the people of the USA and our collective interests -including the need for peace in this world- transcend risking the ire of the barack Obama fan club.

I doubt anybody seriously would advocate voting Republican (gag!) BUT we needn't be happy when we know we have gotten bamboozled by one of our own.

[NatBurner]

48. damn shame...

i barely post anymore, but i ALWAYS clicked and rec'd your posts

come back soon,
nat

[polmaven]

52. As have I...

Going to miss Peacetrain!

[tanyev]

49. Now I've been crying lately,

thinking about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating,
why can't we live in bliss

Cause out on the edge of darkness,
there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country,
come take me home again



Take care, Peacetrain. :patriot:

[blue neen]

51. "I'll tell you everything I've learned, and "Love" is all, he said."

I have appreciated your posts more than you will ever know.

Here's hoping that you take some time off and reconsider. It's awfully tiring coming to this Democratic forum and seeing the same posters headlining with the same negative agendas every day. Conversely, your posts were something I look forward to.

This is a huge difference between constructive criticism and the daily posters who so thinly veil their true intent by trying to be so "helpful". Those posters will lose in the end; the people who enable them also have a lot to lose.

:patriot:

[sufrommich]

53. Sigh. Sorry to see you go. nt

[Number23]

54. I don't blame you one bit

But I'm happy knowing I've got plenty of other places where I'll be seeing you. :)

[JuniperLea]

58. Amen!

I need a shower... and a new address...

[ClassWarrior]

72. Neither do I. But with all the crap flying from both sides, I'm not surprised.

NGU.

[DevonRex]

59. I'll see you on the other side- the Democratic side that is.

:hug:

[joshcryer]

64. Right behind you.

Got a revolution to finish documenting, but I need a serious break from the toxicity.

[FrenchieCat]

65. Awe Man!

Please....I don't want to say that they have won.....
although they certainly try very hard...

but no matter, we are all big losers if we all take flight,
although those facebook groups and other sites that I belong to
are actually quite the opposite! here there is too much cynicism....

I'm an optimist myself, as it is people like us that won women's right to vote,
and held on to the civil rights, till rights were realized!
It certainly weren't the negative naysayers.....those who could always find something wrong
with everything, and hang on to those thoughts like there was no tomorrow, when there really
was!

See you round! :hi:

[nolabear]

66. *sigh* I know. DU seems to echo what is happening in the country.

It's a vicious circle that no one seems willing to break and the disruptors are more than willing to reinforce.

Peace out, Peacetrains. Here's to doing more and freaking less.

[Sheepshank]

84. What I fail to understand is how all this activity actually works to make people turn to the 'R' lol

All the disruptors attempts to interject anti-Obama sentiment, really don't make me want to vote "R". They just make me want to leave and find something more compatible with my POV re: Obama. In fact if anything, hackles go up and I dig in my heels. But maybe that's just me.

The continued anti-Obama sentiments are rarely couched as constructive critisms are clearly not healthy to the Democratic party and simply do little else than demolish the DU experience. I've other alternative BB's to visit, and slowly that attendance is increaing while here, I am getting to the point where I want to do little else than bicker and get annoyed at the petty divisivness being implemented by obvious Rovians. DU really isn't turning 'R' imho, but it's turning toxic to honest debate and exchange of 'D' ideas and support, and that is a truly a shame.

[Ikonoklast]

87. DU is a perfect example of Gresham's Law in action.

[nolabear]

90. Clarification: By "disruptors" I mean those whose purpose is to disrupt debate.

I apprecite questioning and even revolution but this endless circling the wagons and firing inward leaves us wounded and easy pickings for those who in fact are here to troll or get off on disrupting.

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[Lord Helmet]

69. peace to you

[R. P. McMurphy]

70. Sorry to see you go. I really enjoyed your posts. (n/t)

[struggle4progress]

74. This Wheel's on Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVoIjPUTC6o

[jaxx]

75. This is a great loss to DU, there are so few left here.

But the Peacetrain can pull into another station and be at home with those who support Democrats. See you soon! :hug:

[Safetykitten]

91. Few what left?

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[ChiciB1]

86. Yes, I See So Many Have Already Left Here... I Post Less & Less Myself...

And just last night I was checking out other places. But mostly I'm thinking I don't want to post much of anything anywhere. I've looked at so many names here, and so many are missing.

I think this REALLY is very telling. Many of us are simply fed up and no longer feel much passion. I know I've stopped watching the news like I used to. I don't read the papers like I used to, and I've canceled all my political magazines too. It's very frustrating because so many of us have come to believe that we really CAN'T make a difference anymore. I don't know THIS Democratic Party much anymore.

I've said it to my kids and many others that it's time for the "newbies" to pick up the mantel and carry on. I still check in here and post, and I check another place too, but it's less and less.

Color me APATHETIC! I understand Peacetrain!

[Sheepshank]

96. You may have missed Peacetrain's OP call to continue to vote Dem

I don't believe I read anything apathetic in that statement.

[ChiciB1]

97. I Was Only Making My Own Comments... I Think I've Read Enough Of

Peacetrain's posts to know where she stands. I'm not sure we're always on the same page. I was simply reflecting on how I feel.

I mean no harm, I just feel so defeated and alone so much of the time anymore. I've been trying very hard NOT to get myself too worked up because it hurts a lot. We've become very fractured and I have no answers.

Thankfully, I'm able to watch a LOT of tennis as an alternative, which is something I really enjoy. My personal feelings are that we as a nation have lost our rudder and are swirling round and round not knowing where we're going.

Too many of our citizens vote against their own best interests, and our leaders do NOTHING but play games. Not sure if they're playing Dodge Ball or Paint Ball! I've always felt that activism was the best way to affect change, but given what I've seen in just the last 10 to 12 years I've begun to see I'm no longer able to generate much activism at all. I've said it many times here that I can't get 20/30 people together to do anything in my area, so yes... it's APATHETIC to me.

More and more when I talk with people they just look at me and say I'm fighting a losing battle and they pretty much dismiss me out of hand. Sooooooooooooo, it has made me feel that voicing my opinion or trying to fight back against TPTB is like spitting into the wind.

And, NO I DO NOT like feeling this way and never thought I would be talking like this. I'm a Boomer who once believed, but now it seems to many that we are NOT NEEDED!

Sorry if I offended you, it was not my intent.

[DCBob]

88. wow, this neighborhood is going to the dogs.

[YellowCosmicSun]

100. or maybe the cats, big cats that is.

[Bobbie Jo]

92. Understood.

It's a good thing I know where to find you. :hi:

See you on the other side, kiddo!

[rug]

93. What I never understood is why the peacetrain delivered troops to Kabul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ohx398P7I

[Autumn]

98. There are a lot of sites on the internet. One that makes you

happy shouldn't be difficult to find. Good luck.

[YellowCosmicSun]

101. This site will be more hospitable in a few months after the nomination.

[Autumn]

102. Yes it sure will

and I'm sure you know that. Welcome.. to DU.

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. Peace out, Peacetrain. I'll see you elsewhere, I'm sure.

;)



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