Strategy Corner: Obama -- Mark Penn - Don't Bring Back Class Warfare Posted: 9/18/11 09:18 PM ET

[Mass]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-penn/obama-class-warfare_b_969002.html

Barack Obama is careening down the wrong path towards re-election.

He should be working as a president, not a candidate.

He should be claiming the vital center, not abandoning it.

He should be holding down taxes rather than raising them.

He should be mastering

...

America wants to see the president focused on stimulating jobs and innovation, not on raising taxes in a near recession. The president could be out there with tax reform that promotes America's greatest asset -- the country's hard working and ever successful professionals -- and yet raises funds by closing the gap on taxes on capital. He could have tax reform that righted the balance between capital and wage income without opening up class warfare. And he could be moving forward on immigration reform, on trade deals, on new policies and programs that put America at the frontier of new technologies on energy and pharmaceuticals.

Instead, the president has wandered into the thicket of class warfare that will only compound the difficulties before his climb to re-election.

WHat a disconnect with the real world.

[geek tragedy]

1. Every time I find myself kinda wishing Hillary had won,

I remember that she entrusted her poltical future in this guy's 'wisdom.'

[Beacool]

3. Campaigning is not governing.

Carter run a good campaign.

:shrug:

[geek tragedy]

5. Mark Penn is good at governing? nt

[Beacool]

11. Nope.

My point is that how a campaign is run is not indicative of how that person will govern.

;-)

[Whisp]

35. so it's all a pure guessing game then?

nothing to do with effective organizing, or stuff like that? Knowing causcas rules, incidentals like that?
:rofl:
(wearing out my little guy too)

[Beacool]

38. Try reading a little more slowly.

The effectiveness of a candidate's campaign does not necessarily translate into good governance. Carter is a prime example.

Now continue with your simplistic guffaws, that's all some of you are capable of.

:eyes:

[Whisp]

40. gotcha. we should ignore all the lame campaigning the pugs are doing as well then?

in fact, the crazier they are, the better the governance will be!

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. >>>>>

:rofl:

[Beacool]

12. That emoticon is your usual only response.

You're going to wear out the poor guy.

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. It's the "only" appropriate response to your usual tomfoolery.

:rofl:

[Beacool]

15. Yeah, continue to laugh away like a fool.

While day in and day out those of us who were not his base of support are proven correct.

He who laughs last, laughs best. Except that there is nothing to laugh about, unless one wishes to laugh at others' pain and misery.

:(

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. "unless one wishes to laugh at others' pain and misery." Tell it to Hillary's chief campaign.....

advisor. Really, you should sit down & write a snarky letter to Mr. Penn as he seems to be arguing against the very point you're making. :hi:



:rofl:

[Beacool]

21. I was referring to the unemployed and needy.

Obviously, you don't care.

I'm done with you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. So was I. And you were "done" long ago.

:hi:

[Beacool]

39. Honey, I'm OK.

The nation? Not so much........

:-(

[Arkana]

45. Even you can't defend this.

I know that you have a propensity to defend all things Clinton, but Mark Penn's actions and his behavior are inexcusable--and chances are good he would have served as a "senior adviser" in a Hillary Clinton White House.

You do realize you can still like a politician and not agree with everything they do, right?

[Hippo_Tron]

46. True, but people who are governing hire pollsters like Mark Penn

To tell them what political ramifications they will face depending on how they govern. I personally wouldn't want to be taking the advice from somebody who told Al Gore that class warfare was a bad strategy after he got a 20 point bounce from giving a class warfare speech.

[Mr Deltoid]

36. Ben Bernanke

Same as it ever was

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Mark Penn? The guy who totally screwed up Hillary Clinton's campaign?

That Mark Penn?

[WI_DEM]

4. Mark Penn talking about class warfare? Asking millionaires to pay an little extra

instead of just putting it on the backs of the middle class and poor? What a disgusting ass he is.

[young but wise]

6. Mark Penn please shut the fuck up.

[flpoljunkie]

7. The mid-terms were not about Obama's healthcare plan and ending Bush tax cuts. It was economy, jobs!

'The 2010 mid-term elections were fought over Obama's healthcare plan and on his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy by ending the Bush tax cuts. The results were, in his own words, a "shellacking." After his most recent speech to Congress, voters in New York City's Ninth Congressional District just elected a Republican for the first time since 1920.' -Mark Penn

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-penn/obama-class-warfare_b_969002.html

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. And there are folks here who still opine that Hillary didn't win?

This asshole would surely have been one of her top advisors. :puke:

[OHdem10]

10. We need no advice from Mark Penn. I say we are asking for

"Fairness". Too bad he may consider it Class WARFARE.

[babylonsister]

13. Odd, but why does he sound like a rethug? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Because he is?

;)

[HowHasItComeToThis]

18. THERE IS NO CENTER, IT IS A FICTION CREATED BY THE REPUBLICAN MEDIA

[blogslut]

19. Hai, Mark!

"It's not class warfare - it's MATH." - President Barack Obama, September 19, 2011

[JNelson6563]

20. What a wanker. World class even.

[ClarkUSA]

22. Funny how top Clintonians Carville & now Penn are dissing Pres. Obama while Bubba is "good cop"

Plausible deniability is alive and well.

[CakeGrrl]

23. The new Triangulation?

Hmm.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Yup. Isn't it obvious? The timing of the 3 men's comments this week seems oh so contrived.

Plausible deniability to set up Hillary 2016, no doubt. Carville and Penn get to blame it all on Pres. Obama while Bill Clinton stays above it all and lets his lieutenants do the savaging and play the blame game.

I wonder if Paul Ryan is calling Bill Clinton now to whine about mean ol' Obama calling him out this morning.

[CakeGrrl]

27. Yeah, it comes pretty clear now that Penn has opened his trap.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. +1

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

28. this guy is an ass, plain and simple

[Blue_Tires]

29. LOL at Penn still trotting out that ancient DNC playbook from '94

[WingDinger]

30. Fuck him, Sean Penn says...

[PM Martin]

31. Mr. Reagan and Ms. Thatcher and their neo-liberal svengali

began this war 30 years ago. The time for a strong and focused response has arrived.

[PragmaticLiberal]

32. Isn't this the same "Mark Penn"....

who urged Hillary to use race against the president?

[ClarkUSA]

33. Yup.

Shamefully, Hillary took Penn's racist advice, too:

"Hillary and White Voters":
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/05/clinton-and-white-voters.html

"Hillary Touts White Support":
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support

[Whisp]

34. that Penn, such a wise advisor, don't you think?

:rofl:

[YellowCosmicSun]

37. I thought this guy exploded like the dude in BigTroubleLittleChina when Obama won the Primary

[Armstead]

41. Easy for a rich, fat and well connected member of the Political-Corporate Elite to say

[Hell Hath No Fury]

42. Fuck Mark Penn.

Twice. :puke:

[Pryderi]

43. Sour grapes for losing in '08. Penn is becoming the new Dick Morris.

[Arkana]

44. No one should ever listen to anything Mark Penn says. Ever.