CNN/Opinion Research survey: Perry Still Leads Nationally But Obama Continues to Beat Him & Romney

[ClarkUSA]

Despite shaky recent debate performances, a new CNN/Opinion Research survey finds Rick Perry remains on top of the field in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.

Perry leads with 30%, followed by Mitt Romney at 22%, Newt Gingrich at 11%, Herman Cain at 9%, Ron Paul at 7%, Michele Bachmann at 6%, Rick Santorum at 3% and Jon Huntsman at 1%.

However, the survey indicates that Romney fares best against President Obama, trailing by just one point, 49% to 48%. Obama holds a five point lead over Perry, 51% to 46%.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/09/26/perry_still_leads_nationally.html

I wonder to what extent the Republican establishment and their corporate donors will go to destroy Perry. We already know Karl Rove and the Romney/Bush Republicans detest him.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Koch Bros. paid astroturf are working conservative websites to steer voters away from Perry and towards Romney as much as they are on liberal websites to influence opinion against Pres. Obama in order to depress Democratic turnout in 2012.

[Douglas Carpenter]

1. I have REALLY mixed feelings about this one.

The simple reality is - when the economy is perceived as doing poorly - incumbent presidents almost always become unpopular, support or at least enthusiasm from their base almost always decreases significantly and they almost always lose reelection. There have been exceptions. But they have been rare. Considering that it is unlikely that the economy is going to turn around that much in a positive way by October/November 2011 - simple political science and history therefore tells me that neither President Obama or any other Democratic nominee is likely to win in 2012. In other words most likely the Republican nominee will probably win. Of course there are no absolutes when it comes to history or politics. There have been exceptions to this pattern and 2012 may very well be an exception. Rick Perry offers the the best possible opportunity to break this pattern because of his extremist record and rhetoric. He is so far out of the mainstream even by rural American standards - its hard for me to imagine that he could win. On the other hand he is so extreme and so dangerous - I feel nervous about hoping for such a risk when I consider the stakes.

[ClarkUSA]

3. The economy is improving, no thanks to Republicans in Congress. Here's one example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2006063&mesg_id=2006063

I have commented on the state of the race in 2012 in a recent OP. Here's what I think:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x781590

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. it is highly, highly unlikely that the economy will improve enough by Oct/Nov 2012 to make a

significant impact on the election. That is certainly not the consensus of economist and any end of the political spectrum.

[eridani]

12. Only to a "new normal" which is in and of itself an ongoing catastrophe n/t

[flamingdem]

4. Obama is the exception to every rule, plus he has a jobs plan

as opposed to any other candidate..

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. "Obama is the exception to every rule". This bears repeating.....

:thumbsup:

[flamingdem]

17. ;) even Obama can't get over that a black man named Barack Hussein won! nt

[trueblue2007]

8. you have mixed feeling? OH GEES!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA IS OUR HOPE!!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. K & R

:dem:

[flpoljunkie]

5. Polling done after Perry's bad debate by telephone--apparently land lines only.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International from September 23-25, with 1,010 adult Americans, including 447 Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/26/cnn-poll-perry-still-at-top-but-romney-stronger-vs-obama/

[tanyev]

6. But, but Herman Cain! trounced them in the Florida straw poll.

[slay]

10. Obama's lack of showing a spine or standing up to the repubs are why many libs don't like Obama

i know that's a big part of it with me. also how he stocked his admin w/insiders. many of his policy decisions look more republican than democratic to me. Obama will have only himself to blame if liberals abandon him at the poles next year. would the words "single-payer" really have killed him to utter? he did NOTHING to investigate the WAR CRIMES of Bush/Cheney, nothing other than cover it up. i mean come on sure Obama is better than ALL the repubs, but he is a huge letdown in many, many, many, many, many ways. hope and change HA!

[ClarkUSA]

13. The data from this poll says 72% of liberals approve of Pres. Obama's job performance:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

Approve
White 34
Non-White 70

Democrat 80
Liberal 72


Please tell me whether you agree or disagree that Barack Obama has the personality and leadership qualities a President should have.

Agree, has qualities
White 47
Non-White 83

Democrat 92
Liberal 84


Please tell me whether you agree or disagree with Barack Obama on the issues that matter most to you.

Agree
White 35
Non-White 72

Democrat 80
Liberal 78


We'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them.

A. Barack Obama

Favorable Opinion
White 41
Non-White 78

Democrat 88
Liberal 79


Do you think the Democratic Party should renominate Barack Obama as the party's candidate for president in 2012, or do you think the Democratic Party should nominate a different candidate for president in 2012?

Renominate Obama

White 64
Non-White 83

Democrat 76
Liberal 78

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x782465

[CakeGrrl]

15. Glad you cited this. The notion that some vast majority of libs don't like Obama

is something that some corners of the Left are clinging to against data that consistently says he has about 75-80% Lib/Dem support.

[slay]

16. Well then the Dems should just write off the other 28% - you know, the ones who pay attention

the ones who donated and campaigned for him last time. Obama may (does) have you fooled ClarkUSA - (or on the payroll more likely) but not everyone. I don't buy that BS poll and self-identifying "liberals" either.

[ClarkUSA]

18. Uh huh. Do you have any proof for your claims?

<< Well then the Dems should just write off the other 28% - you know, the ones who pay attention the ones who donated and campaigned for him last time. >>

Do you have factual proof of this? I don't buy it.

[vroomvroom]

19. Thought i should Chime in...

I am not the starter of this subthread but thought id just give my 2c. To assume that there are no liberals upset with Obama seems silly. There is no question that Obama's turnout will be smaller than it was in 2008 primarily because of less enthusiasm. Will it be the entire 28%? Nah..but if you are honest with yourself you will admit Obama has been primarily a center-right president. The economy sucks because he has been governing as a republican would and completely baffled by why things havent turned around. Sure Wall Street is doign well because that was his agenda. If he only listened to the many progressive plans that came out of Congress instead of tossing them into the toilet.

But hey as we can see Obama is currently in his Campaign Mode which is the ONLY time when Obama and democrats begin to act like Liberals again...or should i say "speak like liberals". So i welcome back Obama '08, we've missed you. But shame on me if i forget who he REALLY is.

If i vote for Obama in '12 it wont be because i like him..it will because he is the lesser of two evils. But i am not going to lie to you, if there was an alternative democrat i strongly would reconsider my vote. If it were Feingold or Elizabeth Warren i wouldn't even blink...these two are TRUE DEMOCRATS, not DINOS!

[slay]

20. Thank you

you put it into words better than i do at times. :toast:

[totodeinhere]

11. Obama is within the margin of error against Romney.

In my book that's way too close for comfort.

[Life Long Dem]

14. The polls are all over the place.

Newt comes in at 3rd place in one poll at ten percent. Cain wins straw poll in Florida. Romney wins in Michigan at 51 percent. The Republicans are a mess right now.