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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:48 PM
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Thank you, President Obama, for pulling all troops from Iraq
Assuming that also includes Blackwater and other mercenaries, it's the right thing to do.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:51 PM
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1. Even this gets unrecced?
Tough crowd.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:59 PM
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2. Remember where you are....
Some are unhappy because this doesn't fit their meme.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:31 PM
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7. Sadly, that's all too true. eom
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:09 AM
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27. Its you, not the topic.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:00 PM
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3. U.S. Blocks Oversight of Its Mercenary Army in Iraq
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/iraq-merc-army/

By January 2012, the State Department will do something it’s never done before: command a mercenary army the size of a heavy combat brigade. That’s the plan to provide security for its diplomats in Iraq once the U.S. military withdraws. And no one outside State knows anything more, as the department has gone to war with its independent government watchdog to keep its plan a secret.

Stuart Bowen, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), is essentially in the dark about one of the most complex and dangerous endeavors the State Department has ever undertaken, one with huge implications for the future of the United States in Iraq. “Our audit of the program is making no progress,” Bowen tells Danger Room.

For months, Bowen’s team has tried to get basic information out of the State Department about how it will command its assembled army of about 5,500 private security contractors. How many State contracting officials will oversee how many hired guns? What are the rules of engagement for the guards? What’s the system for reporting a security danger, and for directing the guards’ response?

And for months, the State Department’s management chief, former Ambassador Patrick Kennedy, has given Bowen a clear response: That’s not your jurisdiction. You just deal with reconstruction, not security. Never mind that Bowen has audited over $1.2 billion worth of security contracts over seven years.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:04 PM
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4. "Lack of senior level participation" at State. Mercenaries will run rings around them.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/iraq-merc-army /

About as much information as the department has disclosed about its incipient private army comes from a little-noticed Senate hearing in February. There, the top U.S. military and civilian officials in Iraq said that they’d station the hired guard force at Basra, Irbil, Mosul and Kirkuk, with the majority — over 3,000 — protecting the mega-embassy in Baghdad. They’ll ferry diplomats around in armored convoys and a State-run helicopter fleet, the first in the department’s history.

But there are signs of even deeper confusion as State prepares to take the lead in Iraq. An internal State Department audit from June faulted top officials for “a lack of senior level participation” (.pdf) in an “unprecedented” transition to civilian control. The result is that “several key decisions remain unresolved, some plans cannot be finalized, and progress in a number of areas is slipping,” the audit concluded. It raises the prospect that the U.S. military will leave Iraq the same way it entered it — without any planning worthy of the name.

Bowen has minimal visibility into State’s planning process. His teams of auditors are in Iraq, reviewing reconstruction contracts for waste, fraud and abuse, as they have since the early days of the war. They just can’t see anything about the guard force. As far as Bowen is concerned, even though there’s been a nearly 90 percent drop in violence since the surge, State’s hired army still acts like Iraq is a killing field, with death squads and insurgents around every corner.

“Have the standards for convoy travel changed at all from the worst moments of Iraq civil war? The answer’s no,” Bowen says. Diplomats are allowed an hour for meetings outside secured U.S. fortresses. Then it’s time to hit the road, in armored cars full of men armed to the teeth and wearing black sunglasses.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 11:13 PM
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13. This IS worrisome, IMO. I don't understand why we need such
a presence there -- is it just for oil?

Bushco must have had big plans in mind when they began building the new embassy -- isn't it the largest ever?

Regardless, I'm very happy our service men and women won't be there any longer.

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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:08 PM
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5. It hasn't happened yet. I'm still in "wait-and-see" mode.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:09 PM
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6. ALL of the U.S. Troops. U.S. Troops are Army, Marines, etc. NOT paid civilians.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-11 09:11 PM by Tx4obama

Thank you President Obama for keeping another promise :)


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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:32 PM
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8. I would K&R your comment!
I'm very proud of our President. :toast:
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:48 PM
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9. Those goalposts keep moving, don't they?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:29 PM
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21. Shit, that goal post was set in concrete when Obama was a state senator, as far as I'm concerned.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 09:50 PM
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10. Exactly. n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 10:40 PM
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11. congrats to obama for the troops. now r we stuck paying for all the crummy "contractors" still? nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 11:08 PM
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12. Cutting the losses is a big step in solving our financial affairs...Irag is a big Pain Drain
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 11:49 PM
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14. Yes, it took forever, but thank you, bless you, everything good. nt
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 12:14 AM
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15. Once again, Manny, you failed to do your homework and tried
to paint a negative picture. Those of us who do our homework see the truth.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 12:19 AM
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16. really?
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MjolnirTime Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 12:23 AM
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17. every rose has it's thorn with you, eh?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-11 04:43 PM
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18. K&R up to +3 Kudos for Obama.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-11 04:46 PM by bvar22
I don't care How, Who, or WHY,
President Obama has stated unambiguously that our troops are coming OUT of Iraq.
We are celebrating at our home.

Now Make It So.


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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:47 PM
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22. Yup, I'm not going to niggle either
You said it. I don't care how or who or why.

We're leaving. This is an unalloyed good thing.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:33 AM
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19. What will the 'contractors' do now?
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:01 PM
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24. Got to protect the American mics hardware - $13 billion in pending arms sales - not bad.
As part of that increase, the State Department will double its complement of security contractors -- fielding a private army of over 5,000 to guard the embassy and other diplomatic outposts and protect personnel as they travel beyond the fortifications, the official said. Another 3,000 armed guards will protect Office of Security Cooperation personnel, who are responsible for sales and training related to an estimated $13 billion in pending U.S. arms sales, including tanks, squadrons of attack helicopters and 36 F-16s.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/us-embassy-iraq-state-department-plan_n_965945.html?du
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:25 PM
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20. rest of the sentence...
... on George Bush's timetable after failing in negotiations to keep 5-10K troops there.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:23 PM
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23. Both the op and this are true, when the prez could have ended the war as soon as he was elected...
That is, if he really is the one in charge.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:07 PM
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25. Your OP is NOT really a thank you. You screwed it up when you added the 'assuming' part. n/t
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:07 PM by Tx4obama
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:09 PM
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26. If we removed all the private security personnel we would have to rely totally on Iraqi security...
to protect our diplomats and other US govt personnel. I dont think that is wise at this point.
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Johnny2X2X Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:01 AM
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28. Hypocrisy
The criticism from the Right on this is the height of hypocrisy. This was a time table set by Bush. Iraq wants us out. Anything Iran gains from this was a forgone conclusion since the start of the war.

Do these wingnuts really want to keep our troops in Iraq indefinitely?
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