So isn't it bad news that Herman Cain is toast?

[jimlup]

Wouldn't we rather run against this guy? Maybe we can ignore the story and hope he still wins the nomination. Or is he toast? Republicans are not normal humans they may actually like this shit. What do you guys think?

Not that Obama can't beat Romney but still Cain is a pretty weak yahoo ... we couldn't hope for much better really. But I think his inability to keep his sexual thoughts to himself has finished this $9.99 pizza guy.

[elleng]

1. Yes, I'd rather have Cain (and Michelle and other 'minor' players) on the scene longer.

[MrSlayer]

2. Is he actually "toast"?

My guess is that this is going to effect him minimally if at all. Wait for the next poll.

[Lint Head]

3. No just waffling.

[unapatriciated]

31. according to the polls - he's on a roll

[Knight Hawk]

26. Yes

You are correct.

[AlinPA]

4. The right wing likes him, his poll numbers are still high.

[jimlup]

5. Yeah - it is hard to predict them they don't think like normal people...

This could actually help him with these idiots. They may see him as a victim of feminism. The right is reptilian in mindset. Woops - sorry lizards.

[Atman]

6. The republicans don't want to win.

The iceberg is in sight, they don't want to be at the helm when we hit it. Best let the Democrat take the fall, then man the 2016 lifeboats.

[jimlup]

11. Yeah I agree - kinda like Dole in '96

But then again I don't know that 2016 will be a disaster for the Dems. Things will be exceptionally weird by then and so it is hard to predict.

[Ter]

27. No way one party wins three elections in a row these days

2016 is a sure loss.

[totodeinhere]

43. What was Pappa Bush's win in 1988, chopped liver? n/t

[golfguru]

36. That is Machiavellian!

I don't give them credit for strategic thinking at that high level.

[jenmito]

7. If he IS toast, which I doubt, PERRY will be back and possibly get Cain's supporters,

and Obama can easily beat Perry, too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. you are SO funny. I laughed out loud when I read this nt

[TlalocW]

9. The longer they all stay in the better as they'll keep beating up on each other

Making the eventual nominee weak. Plus, I think it the nominee were Cain, republican heads would explode as they came to realize that no matter who won, a Black man was going to be in the Oval Office for another 4 years... and with the head explosions making them ineligible to vote, there would be less republican voters, and Obama would win re-election.

TlalocW

[jimlup]

10. Except that Romney seems to have knit himself a little Mitt cocoon.

They guy just shifts his sails to the wind and moves along. What a dude.... If Cain's numbers go up as result of the scandal then Mitt will have one too.

[chieftain]

12. It doesn't matter.

He was never going to get the GOP nomination. It will be Mitt or Perry and the take down ad on Romney I saw today was brutal and devastating.Kudos to whoever put it together.

[struggle4progress]

13. He's just a side show. It's fun watching the Rs run wildly from one single-digit candidate

to another, but there's no way most of the runners have any chance. Cain wasn't going to be the nominee anyway

[pnwmom]

14. No, I don't want him to be the nominee.

Any Republican nominee has about a 50/50 chance of being elected -- no matter how bad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. If We Can't Beat A Flake Like Cain We LITERALLY Need To Find Another Country

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[Politicalboi]

22. Elections get stolen for flakes

Just see Bush 2000 and Bush 2004.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. They Have To Make It Close Enough First

.

[pnwmom]

24. He can't beat Obama fairly, but that's not what I'm talking about. If they succeed

in suppressing enough Obama votes, they can put any candidate they want into office.

[krawhitham]

15. The religious right and the tea baggers will stay home, they can not vote for Romney

[Exultant Democracy]

16. yup

[Jakes Progress]

17. He was never going to be the candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. "Republicans are not normal humans, they may actually like this shit."

LOL

[golfguru]

20. Sexual matters have lost their luster

Bill Clinton's re-election proves that beyond any shadow of doubt. Unless any sex involved poses security risk, the public is agitated much less over it now.

What will sink Cain is his ineptness, not any sexual innuendo's.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Don't Think The Public Will Tolerate A Sexual Predator As POTUS

That's a bit different than saying adultery is no longer a political career killer if it ever was.

[golfguru]

25. What do you call Paula Jones accusations?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. They Impeached Bill Clinton For It Or The Poison Fruit That Came From That Case, Didn't They?

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[golfguru]

33. The point I was making is...again...

Bill Clinton won re-election, in spite of the several bimbo eruptions. I have to believe asking a person working under you for a blow job is a pretty serious abuse. But I think Americans pay more attention to issues which affect their lives, rather than she said he said stories involving sexual matters.

[creeksneakers2]

34. The sex scandals

except for Gennifer Flowers, came in Clinton's second term.

[golfguru]

35. Monica Lewinsky chronology

November 1995 Lewinsky and President Bill Clinton begin a sexual relationship, according to audiotapes secretly recorded later by Linda Tripp.

December 1995 Lewinsky moves into a paid position in the Office of Legislative Affairs, handling letters from members of Congress. She frequently ferries mail to the Oval Office.

April 1996 ThenDeputy White House Chief of Staff Evelyn Lieberman transfers Lewinsky to a job as an assistant to Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon. Lieberman told The New York Times the move was due to inappropriate and immature behavior and inattention to work. At the Pentagon, Lewinsky meets Tripp, a career government worker.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. But The Affair Wasn't Revealed Until Clinton's Second Term

Let Herman Cain become president and produce the longest economic expansion in the history of the republic and then we can have a discussion of what his peccadilloes are and if we can overlook them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Sexual Harassment Is Very Real And Should Be Punished

A person shouldn't be asking his subordinates for sexual favors; even the president.

[golfguru]

42. Then why is the big dog so popular?

He got to serve 2 full terms, gets secret service protection for life, gets lifetime pension, gets money to maintain a office at home, and is a honored guest every where he goes, and makes huge money for speeches. Where is the punishment you are so adamant about?

[totodeinhere]

44. There were accusations against Clinton during the 1992 campaign. He denied them

just like Cain is doing now. There is hypocrisy all around on this. Some of the people who weren't concerned about the accusations about Clinton are suddenly all concerned about Cain. And many Republicans who screamed bloody murder about Clinton don't seem too concerned about Cain. Actually, I am sick of the hypocrisy on both sides.

[hay rick]

23. Sexual peccadilloes.

Considering the Republican base, it might work to his advantage. Something to take their minds off the fact that he's black. The base can segue to the "high tech lynching" meme and still get their victimization fix.

[sofa king]

28. I have yet to see the candidate that can challenge President Obama.

He's done a really impressive thing, which is to set the gold standard for reality in an age where deception is the coin of the realm.

While the Republicans pile out of the clown car every couple of weeks and desperately try to improve their individual lots through "perception management," the President is busy telling everyone how it is, and he resonates with the people because that is how it is, for them.

There is no Republican candidate who is not dangerously flawed, manifestly unqualified, criminally inclined, or clouded by religious zealotry. At least one of them is all of those things.

Herman Cain is the cuspidor of this race, the vessel others can spit upon to prove their... spitability. He's the sad Indian that all the kids dump their drinks on in a Bobby/Annette beach-blanket-twist-movie, a scapegoat.

Cain seems to be happy to take that to the bank, which appears to have been his intent from the beginning since he still has no national campaign structure and a single talking point (which was one more than anyone else). As soon as he showed signs of pulling ahead, the others moved to spike him.

There's no point in our surreptitiously supporting him; it would only endanger him personally. So I say let him be the punching bag and let's see what it gets the rest of those jackals.

[Jennicut]

32. Did anyone think Cain would really get the nomination?

I always saw him as a flash in the pan, built up by the bored media. It really is Romney vs Perry and neither have tons of excitement behind them. And all the Republicans make Obama look very much like the only adult in the room.

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[PoliticAverse]

38. He's being turned into another Conservative marter/victim... which means he'll never really go away.

More books, speeches, continual TV/Radio appearances...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

40. Cain with his Godfather pizza resume was never going to win the nom either way.

The issue only affects the race in how the timing of Cain's exit influences whether Romney, Perry, or someone else gets the nomination. It was never going to be Cain even without this harassment scandal.

I only hope that the fallout from this hurts his ability to get income from the wingnuts after he quits the race.