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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 03:22 PM
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Limited tax increases in exchange for significant Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cuts?
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 03:23 PM by Cali_Democrat
What do you guys think?


Boehner: Debt deal will include new tax revenues
By Nancy Cordes
November 3, 2011 5:28 PM

House Speaker John Boehner addressed one of the biggest sticking points for the 12 member Congressional "supercommittee" today, acknowledging that any bipartisan agreement will need to include some new tax revenue.

"I think there is room for revenues, but I think there clearly is a limit to the amount of revenues that are available," Boehner told reporters.

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Boehner insisted that Republicans would only compromise on tax revenue if Democrats were willing to take significant and painful steps to shore up Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. "Without real reform on the entitlement side, I don't know how you put any revenue on the table."

He said any new tax revenue would not come from raising rates but from overhauling the tax code, sweeping out loopholes and deductions in order to reduce individual and corporate rates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57318109-503544/boehner-debt-deal-will-include-new-tax-revenues


In my opinion, Boehner's proposal is shit, the debt deal was shit and this super committee is shit.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 03:27 PM
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1. No. They can go bury that where the sun don't shine.
Flush twice.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 03:31 PM
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2. This is a moral issue.
Any politician supporting this crap needs to go. Period.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 03:34 PM
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3. No. Hell fucking NO.
Any proposal those asses make a shit. Anything they do is shit.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 04:04 PM
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4. Then once the loopholes are gone and the tax rates cut,
the corporate lobbyists will come in and get the loopholes quietly reinstated.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 04:26 PM
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5. The choice is between this shitty offer and failing to come to an
agreement at all which will mean across the board cuts and no revenues at all. How did we end up with this idiocy?
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 05:53 AM
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13. It is not all bad...1.2 Trillion in auto-matic cuts &
Half of that will be defense cuts...Then if we can come together & take the House back we can pass revenue cuts...If we don't then I think we all know what a Republican controlled Government is going to do.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:44 AM
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15. Thanks - I often answer from my depressed side and it helps when
I am reminded that there is still a chance.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:23 PM
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16. From what I have read most observers who are in the know about this assume that under no
circumstances will defense budget cuts like that ever see the light of day. If the super committee deadlocks some way will nevertheless be found to avoid those cuts.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:45 PM
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17. The military industrial complex can bank on this.
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 01:47 PM by woo me with science
It is all theater. There was never any serious thought of cutting defense, and there won't be. The priorities are disgustingly clear.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 06:00 PM
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6. Depends
What's significant? Chained CPI? That doesn't add up to too much, and if government can keep inflation down, it's irrelevant anyway.

Reductions in what we pay Medicare and Medicaid providers? Maybe if we provided Federal malpractice insurance for doctors and hospitals that treat those patients, we could live with that.

All I can say is, I see the House still being held by the Repigs, and the Senate going over to them, so the last line of defense we have is a President with a veto pen, who got re-elected because the Rethugs were stupid enough to nominate either someone who the fundies won't vote for, or an idiot pizza baron with a gropinator problem.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 06:04 PM
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7. The only Social Security cuts I'd get behind is to take some benefits away from the 1%
Leave the SS benefits for the 99% alone. The greedy old farts have the golden parachutes they stole from us to retire on. They don't need SS benefits.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 07:17 PM
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8. Damn! Who lurves them some Boner on here? Negative territory on this?
Neolib hustle in full effect.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 08:00 PM
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9. This is just Boehner dreaming
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 08:13 PM
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10. I agree with your assessment - and also think the super committee is a super con.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-11 08:14 PM by polichick
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-11 08:58 PM
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11. He's just sticking to the 'script' that was penned by the GOP and Conserva-Dems. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 05:31 AM
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12. what an asshole
"Without real reform on the entitlement side, I don't know how you put any revenue on the table."

he has that COMPLETELY backwards
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 06:14 AM
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14. Fix the tax code first
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 06:14 AM by quaker bill
Once taxes are raised and actually collected at reasonable rates, then deal with a shortage of funds if still necessary. Fixing the tax code would mean that no corporation would make billions in quarterly profits and owe nothing, they would owe a significant slice every time. They could reduce their tax burden in two ways, build new plants and facilities in the US and staff them, or pay higher wages and benefits to the staff they have in the US, all other options need to be off the table.
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