President Obama renewed my support for him, by stating that he believes that

[teddy51]

Water Boarding is indeed torture. He disagrees with several of the Right wing nut jobs that are running, and both Bush and Cheney. Kudos.

[teddy51]

1. However, I am still pissed that Holder never made a move on the Bush MisAdministration.

IMO that would have been the move that would have made his second term with out doubt. However, looking at the Fwads currently running against him, pretty much assures him of a walk in.

[Autumn]

2. I would rather he believe that torture is a crime, and

act on that.

[teddy51]

3. I agree, but as long as he does not continue the practice, I seriously

think that is all we are going to get. Again, my feeling is that the racial card is being played where ever he goes.

[Vattel]

4. If it is torture, then either it's a very serious crime

that should be prosecuted or we need better criminal statutes against torture. Which is it Obama? God, I hope some real journalist pins him down on this one.

[teddy51]

5. I have been hoping since the day he was inagurated that he would bring

down the club on Bush/Cheney, et all but it hasn't happened. I don't think it is going to happen, but it is in my best interest that Obama be reelected and not one of those Republicans/TeaPartiers.

[Vattel]

6. I never expected prosecutions

for the waterboardings done by the CIA. What I did expect a Democratic Congress and Obama to do was to pass amendments to the war crimes act and the torture act to strengthen those criminal statutes so that it would be impossible for charlatans like John Yoo to interpret them in a way that gave the CIA legal cover to waterboard. They didn't do that, and so if the next president wants to waterboard or institute some other kind of torture, it will be much easier for him or her to get away with it.

[kas125]

7. So, when is he going to order their detention and prosecution?

How can he say it's torture and do nothing about the people who used it?

[Ter]

8. Doesn't it still go on?

n/t

[TheWraith]

13. Of course not.

How did you miss that?

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[NorthCarolina]

10. He didn't prosecute those responsible, so his admission means little

in the big picture. Election lip service.

[paulk]

11. talk is cheap

Obama has made such statements before

http://www.truth-out.org/former-guantanamo-chief-prosecutor-pair-testicles-fell-president-after-election-day/1320935259


I'll believe him when his words lead to something concrete

[jenmito]

12. Under his administration, torture has been illegal from the start. n/t

[bvar22]

14. Maybe... Maybe not.

...depends on what the definition of "is" is.

The Obama Administration outsources "interrogations" of "suspects" to countries with a reputation for torture
through the continuation of Bush's Rendition program.

"Human rights advocates condemned the decision, saying that continuing the practice, known as rendition, would still allow the transfer of prisoners to countries with a history of torture. They said that promises from other countries of humane treatment, called “diplomatic assurances,” were no protection against abuse.

“It is extremely disappointing that the Obama administration is continuing the Bush administration practice of relying on diplomatic assurances, which have been proven completely ineffective in preventing torture,” said Amrit Singh, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, who tracked rendition cases under President George W. Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/us/politics/25rendition.html

"It's hard to tell what such state­ments have meant in prac­tice be­cause the Obama ad­min­is­tra­tion has also fol­lowed an­other as­pect of the Bush ad­min­stra­tion's ren­di­tion pol­icy: utter se­crecy. The Obama White House has in­voked the states se­crets priv­i­lege to block ev­i­dence that could re­veal de­tails about past ren­di­tions under Bush and, more re­cently, has de­clined to com­ment on the lat­est doc­u­ments dis­cov­ered in Libya and the de­tails that emerged in the lit­i­ga­tion in New York.

Though an Obama ad­min­is­tra­tion task force rec­om­mended that greater ac­count­abil­ity mea­sures be im­posed on coun­tries that sus­pects are ren­dered to, the ex­tent to which the rec­om­men­da­tions have been im­ple­mented is un­clear, and pub­lic state­ments by of­fi­cials have been vague."

http://www.nationofchange.org/under-obama-administration-renditions-and-secrecy-around-them-continue-1315411956

If a "suspect" is tortured, but no one in the US Media can hear them scream,
does that mean it didn't happen? :shrug:

This is NOT the kind of "transparency" and "Restoration of Honor" that Campaign Obama promised us in 2008.


http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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[Defectata]

15. cowards are people who refuse to act on their beliefs.

[slay]

16. But he believes using unmanned drones to kill people on the other side of the planet is OK

just sayin...

While Obama will be the best so called "choice" in 2012 - doesn't mean it's a good choice.

[zipplewrath]

17. But apparently not a crime

Because he didn't prosecute anyone, we will torture again.