Schoen & Caddell shovel more idiocy in Op-Ed: President Obama should step aside and let Hillary run.

[jefferson_dem]

How these two bottom-feeding hacks can show their face in public is beyond me... Seriously, just try to read this tripe and keep from either :spray:ing or :puke:ing.

The Hillary Moment
President Obama can't win by running a constructive campaign, and he won't be able to govern if he does win a second term..

By PATRICK H. CADDELL
AND DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN

When Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson accepted the reality that they could not effectively govern the nation if they sought re-election to the White House, both men took the moral high ground and decided against running for a new term as president. President Obama is facing a similar reality—and he must reach the same conclusion.

He should abandon his candidacy for re-election in favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of saving the Democratic Party, but more important, of governing effectively and in a way that preserves the most important of the president's accomplishments. He should step aside for the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Never before has there been such an obvious potential successor—one who has been a loyal and effective member of the president's administration, who has the stature to take on the office, and who is the only leader capable of uniting the country around a bipartisan economic and foreign policy.

Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.

Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance. With his job approval ratings below 45% overall and below 40% on the economy, the president cannot affirmatively make the case that voters are better off now than they were four years ago. He—like everyone else—knows that they are worse off.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041950781477944.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

[appleannie1]

1. As long as the thugs rule the House, God Himself could not govern or get anything done.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. hmmmmm.......

[jefferson_dem]

4. Hmmm...

:dunce:

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Here

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/11/21/hillary_clinton_says_shes_not_running_in_2012_--_or_ever.html

[jefferson_dem]

11. Here

Get on board: http://www.barackobama.com/splash/dinner-with-barack-nov?

[Cali_Democrat]

14. Thanks for the link.

Dinner with Barack sounds great.

Although, I'm not sure what that has to do with the subject of your OP.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Ha...

Click on through the splash to Obama's home page. He's the Democratic nominee in 2012. End of story. :)

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Yes he will be the Dem nominee for 2012

I don't think that was ever in question.

[CakeGrrl]

3. Another PUMA flare-up?

The sting of '08 left a persistent rash.

:evilgrin:

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. +1. And it plays itself out here on a regular basis. A lot of the "journalists" are still pissed..

because they told us for a year how "inevitable" Hillary was, and when that turned out to be untrue, they've tried to make this president's tenure a living hell. :hi:

[TheWraith]

60. Not to mention one of those guys made a small fortune of Clinton in 2008.

Schoen is the same guy from "Penn Schoen & Berland," with Penn being Mark Penn, the walking pair of eyebrows that crashed Hillary's campaign in the first place.

[DCBob]

5. Next we hear the old rumors about Larry Sinclair, the Whitey tape and Indonesian madrases.

This is absurd.

[rocktivity]

6. Consider the source.

And Obama -- like everyone else -- knows were are worse off because it is the Republicans who did everything possible to stop him. And Hillary "EX-DLC-Officer" Clinton would improve things how?

:crazy:
rocktivity

[RC]

7. Hillary may keep her campaign promises.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. You mean

like passing health care reform with a mandate????

[RC]

25. What office has Hillary run for?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

28. What do you mean?

:shrug:

[chowder66]

8. More than likely they would allow her to pass a couple of minor

things then they would begin their obstructionist crap all over again. I knew back when all the Pres. Clinton stuff was going on that this was never going to end and was only going to get worse. Boy I wish I had put money on it because it got worse alright.

The republicans thirst for power is all-consuming now. They no longer care about the costs or the harm and they will eat their own as they gain more and more power (overtly or subversively). It's not enough that we have been pointing it out and screaming about the corruption from the top of our lungs. It will take a very scary situation, policy or event to actually wake the rest of this nation up it seems. Unfortunately I don't even know what that would be. It seems enough is out there right now but there are too many people ignoring what is right in front of them. It's as though we all got hit by a bus and most lost their memory of what happened instantly while the rest of us still feel the pain and know where the scars came from.

[winstars]

9. These Two Fucks...

Oh, so taking some time out from Faux News, these two fucks say this bullshit??? This can only mean that the pug's have some unused ammo on Hilary and in the end they think it would be better for THEM, if she were to run. Anything they and others like them 'spurt out' we should do the opposite!!!

[Skip Intro]

12. Imho, they make good points. Whether Obama were to step aside or not, I would support a Hillary run.

I simply think she would be a more effective leader, producing more tangible results, and would certainly be more skilled at fending off repub attacks and outmaneuvering their schemes.

(And before anyone starts, my sig has only to do with my love of cats. It is a .gif used on DU way, way before 2008, so please, save the "he's a puma" dramatics.)

[dsc]

13. That would be a truly horrible idea

Truman and Johnson had unpopular wars that their replacements could repudiate (and they lost anyhow). Obama is actually more popular than his policies which Hillary wouldn't repudiate.

[Mass]

16. Schoen and Cadwell should register to the GOP.

Like Mark Penn, they dont have anything to do with the Democratic Party any more. But it is amazing how some people cannot get that their time has gone.

They are the ones who should step aside and leave the place to other pollsters.

[karynnj]

17. When was the last time either of them were right on anything?

If Hillary wanted to challenge him, she could have and if he prefered to step down, he could have done so early enough to let the people of the Democratic party actually chose a nominee. Is that a novel idea? Had he done this and if Hillary ran and won, that would make her a legitimate nominee. I feel sorry for Hillary that these people continue to push her.

[thucythucy]

18. Let's see now

Truman was replaced by Eisenhower, who overthrew democratically elected governments from Guatemala to Iran, blocked elections in Vietnam, and vastly accelerated the arms race before warning us--belatedly, in fact in his very last speech as president--about the military industrial complex which he did so much to foster. He also gave us Richard Nixon as vice president....

who then succeeded LBJ, kept us in Vietnam an extra four years, bombed, invaded, and basically destroyed civil life in Cambodia, and over threw the democratically elected government of Chile (and gave us Spiro Agnew as vice president and Reinquist as Supreme Court justice). Then too, there was that little to-do at the Watergate....

Given past results, this really doesn't sound to me like very good advise.

[Number23]

19. Thanks. We've now heard from Caddell and Schoen

But what does Lee Mercer Jr. think?

"On August 22, 1992, The State of Texas installed an intelligence hotwire in me at
the United States Army Military Intelligence Academy Camp Bullis San Antonio, Texas."

Source: The 6 Most Insane People to Ever Run for President | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/article_16748_the-6-most-insane-people-to-ever-run-president_p2.html#ixzz1eIyRyTSy

[jenmito]

21. Faux's favorite faux Dem. pollsters. n/t

[Proud Liberal Dem]

22. These idiots were suggesting around this time last year

that President Obama declare that he wouldn't seek a second term a la Johnson because, you know, he's been such a "polarizing" figure :eyes: and that the Republicans would actually work with him and important things would suddenly get done if he decided to refuse to run again.
:eyes: :puke: :banghead: :wtf:

These guys are dirtbags and are NOT true Democrats!

Have these guys ever paid any attention to Republican's negative campaigning and dirty election tactics? Do they even pay attention to all the garbage and filth their employer spews every day about President Obama, his wife, his family, and Democrats in general. If Hilary were POTUS, they'd be doing the exact same thing to her. Mark.my.words. This article is filled with so much warped logic and pretzel twisting of poll numbers that..............:banghead: Stuff like this leaves me speechless and incoherent.

:wtf: guys? Seriously, :wtf:

What kind of drugs are these guys on? Really?

:nuke:

[MilesColtrane]

64. "What kind of drugs are these guys on? Really?"

Pumalis™

"If you've got a raging erection for a Clinton in the White House for more than five years, see your doctor."

[sadbear]

24. The only thing that would accomplish would be to embolden the tea party

They would pull the same shit every time a Democrat were elected President. Caddell and Schoen can go fuck themselves.

[JoePhilly]

26. stroke, stroke, stroke ....

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. Are there any Republicans out there actually saying

that they'd cooperate with Hillary more than they would Obama? Really? If they think that she'd "cooperate" with the Republicans more then that's even more reason NOT to have her as POTUS as far as I'm concerned. The reality of the matter is that she wouldn't be in office for 5 seconds before they start up the Vince Foster murder conspiracy talk again, drag out the old "Billary" and Chelsea dog jokes and "Obamacare" would suddenly become "Hillarycare", etc. What is extremely galling about these kind of assertions by these guys is that they are basically pulling this stuff out of their butts. Her 69% "approval rating" as SOS (something that has never AFAIK been measured, also has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on how she would fare as POTUS or even as a candidate for POTUS.

Here's my theory about these two guys: They are Republicans and they want Republicans to win. They, like the rest of the GOP, recognize (privately) that President Obama is going to be a tough candidate to beat next year so they are hoping to figure out some way to get President Obama to withdraw from the race so that they can divide and weaken the Democratic Party (and ticket) enough to have a real shot of winning (good luck with that with their bunch of losers). They would love nothing more than to restart the 2008 slugfest between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters, as well as be able to unload their nuclear arsenal of nastiness and negative campaigning on Hillary in the GE.

This article (like the last one they wrote) is the height of lunacy IMHO.

[zalinda]

30. She seems to have more back bone than Obama

that's worth a vote, in itself. As for Republicans working with her? How is Obama doing? At least she wouldn't start in the middle and then cave in. He doesn't seem to know where the left is.

zalinda

[WI_DEM]

31. Cadell has been off the deep end now for a while.

[Beacool]

32. I figured that this would cause a stir in the hen house.

:popcorn:

You can all relax, she's not interested in the job.

:rofl:

[WI_DEM]

33. No, she isn't

and besides Obama won't have any problem being re-elected.

[Beacool]

43. You have a crystal ball?

:shrug:

[WI_DEM]

45. No, but I look at where Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were at one time

and can make some comparisons. Obama never has been as bad off as they were against the GOP. I also see recent economic news indicating that Unemployment situation is getting better. If that continues it benefits Obama. I also see the weak GOP field.

[Beacool]

48. The big difference is the economy.

Reagan's economy was improving and Bill had the best economy in over 40 years. Obama won't be so lucky. His reelection will depend on circumstances that are mostly out of his control, such as the unemployment rate and the state of the economy. But a year is a lifetime in politics and anything is possible.

:-)

[jefferson_dem]

46. I bet Hillary is absolutely embarrassed by these two clowns...

I love the woman ... She has far too much class and intellect for these hangers on...

And you really should replace "not" with "no longer".

[Beacool]

49. She may not even be aware of this editorial.

I meant not right now. It's hard to know what one wants so far ahead in time. She may change her mind before 2016. if not, so be it. Her life, her decision.

:shrug:

[WI_DEM]

34. p.s. They point to Lyndon Johnson and Harry Truman not running again

but the big difference between Obama and LBJ and HST is that they were in trouble with the democratic party (McCarthy nearly beat LBJ in NH and HST actually lost NH to Este Kefauver). On the other hand, Obama has no primary opponent (of stature) and poll after poll shows that he is overwhelmingly the choice of Democrats for renomination--unlike LBJ and HST. So their history is faulty.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. Are all Hillary fans this unreasonable? They seem to permeate the media with their rot.

I've discovered, since the primaries, it wasn't Hillary that I despised so much as it was her rabid fan club. HillaryIs44 was emblematic of this syndrome. Schoen & Caddell should get over themselves, and realize that folks who "enthusiastically" supported this president's first election, did so for a reason, and opposition to Hillary & the DLC was right up there at the top. :hi:

[Beacool]

53. No more unreasonable than the Obama fans who see no wrong in the guy.

No matter how bad things are going in the country. In their eyes it's always someone else's fault.

:shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. Bite Me!

:rofl:

[Beacool]

56. Oh, ever so polite and classy.

What a surprise..........

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

57. Your perpetual "victimhood" bullshit has played out, and I have no further patience for it.

You were cute in the beginning, because you were so obsessively pro "All Things Clinton", but it's kinda weird now, and unless you're related to them by blood, I suggest you get that checked out. :hi:

Sorry we can't all be as classy as you. Your deleted post the other night was "real class". I'm sure you know the one I'm talking about. ;)

[Beacool]

58. As a rule I'm not rude to other posters.

What's weird, that I think that Obama is not a particularly good and effective president? That has nothing to do with the Clintons.

Not all of us wish to members of his fan club.

:D

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. Shoo fly! I made a promise the other night that I was gonna ignore folks like you.

It's obviously the attention you crave. :rofl:

[Beacool]

62. You wish..............

;)

[CakeGrrl]

66. No, plenty of Hillary supporters here aren't tooting this horn.

But there are others, as you well know, who will never, ever get past '08.

[Tarheel_Dem]

69. Exactly. Now that you mention it, I know a couple of them, but they are few & far between.

It's the ones with the microphones and newpaper columns, and their followers, who haven't gotten over it. Poll after poll shows this president's base of support is strong, even stronger than Big Dog's at this stage in his presidency. I know that pisses some people off, but it's grown tiresome, to say the least.

[sufrommich]

36. Sigh, way to keep the vitriol going. I was a Hillary supporter

during the primaries. I supported Obama once he was the nominee and still do. I support Hillary too, she's doing a great job and would have made a great president. The rest is water under the bridge and constantily dredging up bruised feelings is pointless.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

37. Interesting too

they don't ever seem to call out the Republicans for their role in making it difficult (if not impossible) for President Obama to govern effectively nor do they say anything about the Republicans' nasty smears against President Obama and negative campaigns about Democrats in general. If they want to point out where he might have done things differently, that's one thing but they seem to want to lay ALL of the blame for the difficulty in governing in Washington DC on President Obama and none on the GOP? :puke:

[sufrommich]

38. Here's some interesting info on Caddell...

His analysis on polls and campaign issues often puts him at odds with the current leadership of the Democratic Party. He has been criticized for predicting the downfall of the Democratic party.<7><8> Critics point out that he has defended the Bush administration by arguing that Republicans did not exploit the issue of gay marriage in the presidential election of 2004. He also denounced Democrats in the House who voted against the Palm Sunday Compromise, which sought to reinstate Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, as "cold blooded," and called environmentalism "a conspiracy 'to basically deconstruct capitalism.'"<1> Caddell is a regular guest on Fox News Channel, listed as a Fox News Contributor. This has earned him the label of "Fox News Democrat."<1>


Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIBzmtD0tYw

Oh, and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p55o7f3jI4&feature=related



Dems who play along with this shit should be ashamed of themselves.

[treestar]

39. I guess they are not going to give up on this

until 2017 or Hillary retires, whichever occurs last.

[sufrommich]

40. "They" who? Neither one of these guys are fans of

Hillary, in fact Caddell threatened to leave the country if she won the election. I'm sure they're happy to drive that wedge though, too bad some on DU choose to take the bait.

[Beacool]

44. You're right, they were not Hillary supporters.

Which makes their disappointment doubly sweet. Ditto for Chris Matthews, he of the tingling leg. He too is down on the dumps over his 2008 choice.

:7

[jefferson_dem]

51. Are you seriously saying that Doug Schoen (Mark Penn's buddy) is/was not a Hillary supporter?

Caddell is simply a slimy FoxNews' resident "concern troll" posing as a Democratic pollster. No surprise he would glom onto any stupid andt-Democrat narrative of the moment. Neither one has our party's best interest in mind. But you already knew that...

[sufrommich]

54. Do think Doug Schoen , a hired Fox News goon, co wrote

that article with good intentions toward Hillary or bad intentions toward democrats? The guy is a proven liar:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/18/347165/breaking-doug-schoen-grossly-misrepresents-his-own-poll-results-to-smear-occupy-wall-street/

[jefferson_dem]

63. The latter.

We agree.

[CakeGrrl]

67. These two are nothing but nutty PUMAS with the same old obsessive agenda.

Or they're just shit-stirrers pushing PUMA buttons.

[Blue_Tires]

41. Who are Schoen & Caddell and why should I give a rat's ass what they think?

[MjolnirTime]

42. Hillary attracts some real lunatics for some reason.

[Beacool]

47. They were not Hillary supporters.

They are just disappointed with Obama.

;)

[sufrommich]

50. They would be just as "disapointed" with Hillary, they're

GOP shills.

[Beacool]

52. If you say so..........

;)

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. +1

:thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

65. Looks like this is an annual event for professional trolls, Schoen and Caddell.

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/11/14/fox_news_democrats_schoen_and_caddell_urge_obama_not_to_run_in_2012.php

[DCBob]

68. This was just a desperate attempt by a couple of loser commentators to create a headline.

Its trash journalism at its best.