The Daily Dish: Why Obama Still Matters, Ctd

[dennis4868]

A reader provides a superb counterpoint to yesterday's liberal dissenters:

Thank you so much for writing such an eloquent defense of Obama. I'm a black attorney in my mid-20s and I'm very gainfully employed at a big law firm. My parents grew up in poverty, raised themselves to the middle class and then sacrificed so that I could go to elite schools for my entire life with the hopes that I will do better than them one day. Things are good for me mostly, but times are tough for a majority of my friends. My minority friends and I are very happy with the president and take attacks on him very personally. To the first point, we are happy because it seems that minorities, unlike the liberal white students I went to school with, had reasonable expectations. We knew that Obama could only do but so much in the face of the opposition he has to deal with and we are happy with what he has achieved.

And not to be too racial about this, but myself and a lot of my minority friends sense that white liberals' disappointment from Obama comes from a sense of entitlement. Unlike affluent white liberals, minorities in this country seem to have a better grasp of a key truth in life: you don't always get everything you want. We know, if not firsthand then from the stories of our parents, that America isn't always a nice place, and all you can hope for is incremental change. Unlike a lot of our affluent white liberal friends, we are used to not getting it all and have learned to live with it.

Read the rest of the article here...http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/why-obama-still-matters-ctd.html

[cliffordu]

1. Yep. Exactly.

[MineralMan]

2. K&R

An interesting take on this.

[Vattel]

3. Yet another bullshit theory

about why some liberals are disappointed with Obama. Now it's a sense of entitlement that makes us incapable of fully grasping the challenges of governing. Pop sociology marches on, and the bullshit never stops.

[Hutzpa]

4. Must have hit a nerve

nt.

[Vattel]

6. I confess that bullshit does irritate me.

[Hutzpa]

9. Then you're going to hurt yourself from irregular heatbeat

because you will be confronted with a lot of positive threads/posts on this board.

[Vattel]

12. I have no problem with positive threads.

[JNelson6563]

13. I'm kinda noticing

this seems to be the case with any thread containing anything positive about Obama.

I always wonder why anti-Dem folks post here at DemocraticUnderground. I mean considering the name of the place you risk seeing positive posts every single day. When taking into account how deeply such things annoy you, why would you want to come here and keep doing that to yourself? Are you masochistic? Do you just need a "whipping boy" (cause life sucks) and figure any pro-Dem poster will do? I mean, what is it?

Julie

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. K & R

:kick:

[Hutzpa]

7. This from a first hand experience

dealing with middle class Blacks and Hispanics who are educated, about 85% of them
feels exactly as that poster so eloquently put it, most see the attacks on Obama as
an attack on his integrity knowing fully that the odds are stacked up against him, they
see him as someone who is in the same position as they are and is doing everything
within his power to overcome huge obstacles to move this country forward.

This type of attitude is seen at the workplace, sometimes at small gathering, etc now
fast forward to the republican candidates for 2012 and their verbiage, reading between
the lines you see nothing but underhand division, in other words meritocracy sprinkle
with a touch of black spice to create the feeling of austerity, but don't be fooled
there is no such thing and this class of Blacks and Hispanics see right through that
and understands the dexterity involved in protecting the first Black president that
they see getting the same stick they get at work, despite their ability to do the job.

[noiretextatique]

14. i am an educated black person who is not especially thrilled with obama

and many of my black friends feel the same way. however, i know what he's up against. i do think there is an huge element of racism in the GOP's opposition to him, but i think there are also legitimate criticism of his policies and strategy coming from liberals and democrats. i think the "sense of entitlement" angle is both over-reaching and insulting. i don't feel any need to "protect" obama, but i do agree with the sentiment that he is being treated, by some, just like i get treated at work. but i think obama has earned some of the criticism coming his way, and not all of it is about his race or some sense of entitlement. there are some black people who support him BECAUSE he is black, regardless of what he does...i know quite a few in that category too.

[Hutzpa]

16. You notice I said 85%

which leaves 15% with the same ideologue as you, there are many reasons behind such thinking
and feelings, I also know that contrary to popular comment made by Herman Cain that Blacks are
supporting Obama because he is black is based on a myth generated by a GOP talking point, so
I'm not even going to entertain that thought process.

Obama himself said he is not perfect and there are instances where he will make mistakes and
then there are issues where he will need our help in pushing him into making the right decision,
having said that the criticism he has earned might be forthright in their anger towards Obama
not doing enough which imo does nothing but to satisfy their personal agendas, which is since
he hasn't done enough that makes him ___________ (insert whatever semantics you can think
of here).

Considering the obstacles that most Blacks/Hispanics have been through to get to where they
are instead of doing it through affirmative action (because that is the reason that some
feel they have to defend the indefensible)I do believe that the level of understanding comes
from the standard of education and hard work done by this group of supporters, they are not
sold on inferior information full of sound bites that is based on less fact but more noise.
I will say though that Obama imo has actually done a lot more with what he has available to
him than the previous two Presidents.

Edit
I should also had that there has been less positive news about Obama than any other president
from the M$M.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. Indeed! He has earned some of it that is legitimate, but I'm sorry. If we're honest, there

hasthere has NEVER been an opposition like this. Never seen anything like it!!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. EXACTLY!! I received this post from a dear friend who just so happens to be a white

Male conservative! The thing that I love about my friend is that despite his political leanings he gets it. I then sent this to my entire family and friends. This post has been making the rounds in black American circles precisely because it has a powerful message for my white liberal brethren. If they would only choose to listen and not dismiss what we have to say... :(

[theaocp]

8. Learning to "live with" not getting what you want

is exactly what TPTB are counting on. The 1% do not learn to live with limitations. The beaten spouse syndrome marches on.

[Wait Wut]

10. I grew up an "affluent white liberal"...

...and I agree 100% x 1000.

[tech3149]

11. I voted for and supported Obama in spite of what I had learned

It was made evident in his books that he believed in the "free market" economy. Can you argue that his appointments are not like minded? The fact that this administrations DOJ has not investigated or prosecuted anyone in the financial industry seals the deal. How about looking into the Siegelman political prosecution?

I don't know jack shit about what goes on in Washington but I listen to and agree with her on one thing.
We should be tracking the influence peddlers and make them front page material.

[Indykatie]

15. Some of my White Liberal Friends Weren't Strong Obama Supporters

to begin and have never fully got over Hillary not winning the nomination. Some have even convinced themselves that she would have had more success moving a progressive agenda. I don't get the failure of some liberals to at least give credit for the movement on a number of issues important to us. It's as if they feel he has accomplished nothing and they fail to recognize the challenges he faces from the republicans. One friend finally revealed herself as a PUMA and the revelation caught me totally by surprise.

[Number23]

19. Nice post. I'm an indie too

I don't get the failure of some liberals to at least give credit for the movement on a number of issues important to us.

I feel the same way.

[Prism]

17. This article is really quite racist.

But, hey, party on. I know racist stereotypes and ignorant broad brush racial denigration from clueless unfamiliarity is only a Very. Serious. Issue. if it involves someone criticizing the President.

Yeah, it's going to be a long 11.5 months.

White people. How comes they suck so much?

Nice, guys. I always enjoy how people seem to think this train of argument helps the President.

Pssst. It kills him with independents.

[limpyhobbler]

18. Whether you think Obama can do no wrong or ...

Some people think Obama can do no wrong.
While other people think he is a total poser and a sellout.

I don't think either is true.

But it doesn't matter anyways. We have to do OUR job which is to keep pressure on all branches of government to promote progressive policies.

If Obama is is fighting for what's right, this can only help him and show him he has ground support and political cover. If he is being a faker/sellout, even more so we have to make sure or voices are heard to promote our policies?

right?

[PragmaticLiberal]

20. A very reasonable post.

:toast:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. This response speaks to my soul! The writer explains beautifully why the vast,

Overwhelming majority of people of color will NEVER abandon this president!!!!!