Can you support both OWS and President Obama?

[AtomicKitten]

Poll question: Can you support both OWS and President Obama?

This seems to be at issue and I'm wondering how the rest of the board feels about this.

[ellisonz]

1. Yes.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. Why should it have to be one way or another?

Both support the 99% It's the right (and Republicans) that supports and fights for the 1% against the 99%.

[AtomicKitten]

7. It shouldn't and isn't, but I was advised they are mutually exclusive.

I just wanted to see how other DU'ers feel.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. By who(m)?

:shrug:

[CakeGrrl]

31. Apparently by the 23% who support OWS but not the President.

as of this posting.

[emulatorloo]

48. Self-delete.

[Pale Blue Dot]

3. I strongly support OWS and, due to the lack of options, I will vote for President Obama.

... and that's as committed as I feel right now.

[Skittles]

32. same here, so I'm not sure how to respond to the poll

I SUPPORT Obama in that I voted for him and WISH HE WOULD DO A BETTER JOB, but I think we are simply STUCK WITH HIM

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. You wish he would do a better job but refuse to understand how he is being thwarted

by the Republicans so you blame him...exactly what the ReThugs want you to do!!!

[Skittles]

53. give me a fucking BREAK

I am not fucking STUPID - but you CANNOT tell me this is the best job he could have done - that is INSULTING

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. You wish he would do a better job but refuse to understand how he is being thwarted

by the Republicans so you blame him...exactly what the ReThugs want you to do!!!

[tavalon]

36. You said what I said, with a better grasp of brevity!

[bigwillq]

4. Yes (nt)

[Merlot]

5. Yes, and can also walk and chew gum

[AtomicKitten]

9. rock on

[NYC_SKP]

6. Absolutely, everyone who supports our President also supports OWS.

:bounce:

[AtomicKitten]

10. That was my thought as well.

thanks :)

[provis99]

13. Tim Geithner and Rahm Emanuel support OWS?

whodda thunk it?

[tnlefty]

15. Somehow I doubt they would...

nor some of his current advisors. Whodda thunk it? :hi:

[Number23]

18. But here's the catch (and I'm sure the reason Kitten posted this poll)

You will find many who support OWS but not President Obama. For these people, OWS exists BECAUSE of President Obama. Their vision is so short and narrow, they will deliberately misinterpret, minimize and misstate a movement of people all over the world in an effort to try and slam this president.

There is one person who runs around DU constantly stating as "fact" that OWS sprung into existence because "Obama is so ineffective." When I asked this person if people participating in Occupy Zurich and other countries were also protesting Obama, they had no comment.

The president's strongest supporters are out there occupying. The president and many other prominent Democrats have VOICED SUPPORT of this movement. But in some people's heads, it is somehow IMPOSSIBLE to support both Obama and Occupy. It's hard not to be dismissive of people that are so politically and culturally ignorant, but it is damn tempting.

[NYC_SKP]

22. In my experience in the real world the the OWS supporters and Obama supporters are the same people.

:shrug:

[Number23]

23. According to some, those blacks and Hispanics and liberals and women 99%ers

suddenly morph into the 1% the second they voice any support for the president. Like I said, it's hard not to dismiss such stupidity.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. I'm here in NYC over the weekend for the holiday. Went down to the protest and saw

and only saw ONE anti-Obama sign!

[NYC_SKP]

50. And, to be clear and realistic, not every soul hanging out in Zuccotti Park is an OWS adherent.

There are a few straight up crazy street people, good people but needing professional help (thanks Reagan), some apolitical freeloaders, and almost certainly, some agent provocateurs.

:hi:

[saras]

27. They are rejecting the machine Obama is a willing part of, they're not blaming him for Greece

OWS exists because governments worldwide are corrupt and unresponsive, to a criminal degree. The set of institutions behind this corruption are multinational corporations. Either you support them ruling the world, or you support the rest of the world taking power away from them, using as much force as is necessary.

Obama seemed to think that he could reform this machine from the inside, and like everyone else that's tried that, he found that the machine changed him much more than he changed it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. +1!!! I wish I could recommend your post a million times! One 'thank you' is not enough!!

[tabatha]

25. Obama supports OWS

[NYC_SKP]

47. It's true. Kind of puts the end to the false dilemma.

eom

[tavalon]

37. Checked with Rahm Emanuel

Lately ? I think you might have an example of one.

[lunatica]

8. Both. I don't demand absolute perfection

Certainly not in the government. Too many times in my life I found out things that happened 20 years before. After a while I got it. Governments are more about expediency than about right or wrong.

[provis99]

11. why not?

Republicans do cognitive dissonance, so we can too!

[Number23]

12. Yes. And many, many do.

[LWolf]

14. Faulty question.

It should be DO you support both OWS and President Obama?

Can? Yes, I CAN. I CAN do any illogical thing I want to. I can contradict myself at any point.

[AtomicKitten]

16. Well, you have both CAN and DO in the responses offered if you choose to participate.

[LWolf]

24. It's there in the first response, true.

For the record, I can and do support OWS.

Obama? Ambivalent. I've supported him, and will continue to do so, on the rare occasions he does something that deserves my support.

[uppityperson]

17. Try posting it in GD, see if you get different votes.

[Number23]

19. Or she could just post it on Freak Republic and get the same results...

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. !

:spray:



:fistbump:

[vaberella]

30. ROFL...

:rofl: So true...

[rug]

20. I haven't seen any General Assembly support drone warfare.

[boppers]

29. I haven't ever seen drone warfare come up at a GA.

I also haven't seen cluster bombs come up, or child soldiers, or AIDS funding, or patent law.

So, I'm interested in the point you are trying to make, because I don't understand what a random issue in the world has to do with the question posed.

[rug]

51. Drone warfare is not "a random issue". Why don't you raise it at your next GA.

Tell me how much supporrt it gets.

[boppers]

58. I wouldn't know what to say about it.

From my perspective, killing from a distance is as old as the spear, and bow, and sling, so I don't exactly have anything intelligent to say about it that I think would impact or interest the goals of #Occupy.

So, to that end, let me ask you, what do you think the connection is?

Regardless of the 99%/drones connection, what bothers you about drones, and does it also apply to guided missiles, artillery, or what?

What makes "drone warfare" different than "warfare" in general? I can see the connection between 99% being asked to pay for wars to benefit the 1%, but I'm trying to understand what makes drone warfare any different than any other kind of warfare.

[Tx4obama]

26. As discussed on MSNBC the other day ....

The majority of what OWS wants is already in the Democratic Party's platform.
Obama is a Democrat.
Obama supports the Democratic platform.

So, it makes sense that Democrats would be supporting both President Obama and OWS ;)

[Dragonbreathp9d]

33. I like that "I support Obama but not OWS" got one vote

So that it will have 1%> at the end of the poll.

Oh an for the record, yes- you do not have to agree with every policy to support someone.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

34. Unless Obama changes his ways, I don't think you can.

I can, however, support Obama to change his ways.

[tavalon]

35. This isn't an either/or. But my support in the form of money, time and boots on the ground

Goes to OWS. Obama gets my vote because no viable other choice is available. But, considering the huge amount of money, time and precinct walking I did for Obama, I have had the scales removed from my eyes. He's just another corporist drone, not as bad as the alternatives.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Any idea how many progressives disagree with your assessment?

I know it's fun to say, but the president has to work within the system as set out by the constitution. As far as I know, he's done that. He's no Kucinich, Grayson, or Sanders, because firstly he was able to get elected to the highest office in the land. The "Democratic" Party had a chance to nominate Kooch, and guess what happened? Doesn't that say that the issue isn't President Obama, but you? :shrug:

[tavalon]

56. Hmmm, President Obama dissembled

I did not. Anyway, I guess one non sequitor deserves another.

[polichick]

38. Semantics. imo if you support OWS you can still vote for Obama...

...as the lesser of corporate evils.

[Bluenorthwest]

39. I plan on voting against the GOP, if that is Obama, so be it

I fully support OWS, they do not whine that my family is not 'sanctified' by some God they made up. The Obama family is openly and totally opposed to equality in marriage rights.

[bigwillq]

45. Even Bo?

Say it ain't so.

[Kahuna]

40. Absolutely!

:patriot:

[Zorra]

46. I'm voting against republicans.

And hoping that Obama allies with OWS.

"Everybody's got a dream. This is Hollywood. What's your dream?"

[MrSlayer]

52. Obama is partof the reason OWS exists.

He's been buddied up to those scumbags from day one.

[KoKo]

54. No...OWS is a Direct Attack on President Obama. I cannot vote for any "so-called Movement"

that could Undermine President Obama's positions. I think OWS is a HOAX by the RW when their "Tea Party" failed to get Mitt Romney ELECTED.

I will NOT SUPPORT OWS...because it is TOTALLY AGAINST "President Obama's Policies."

Anyone who supports this stupid, fucking OWS is AGAINST OBAMA and AGAINST AMERICA...they should be "Tarred and Feathered" (in our old American Tradition against DISSENTERS who are against AMERICAN IDEALS) and therefore, OWS is just a sham...by the CIA to FUCK UP American Voters Minds. It's a RW, BILDERBERGER CONSPIRACY!

Anyone who supports this "fake OWS Movement" should be sent to GITMO... It's a stupid fuck up, thing by CIA and the Rockefellers and "One World Society" movement.

Pox on them...!

[KoKo]

55. A big K&R for this POLL! Thank you "Atomic Cat" for this Poll!

:kick:

[ProSense]

57. Occupy

Occupy!

There are so many people and groups trying to co-opt OWS it's interesting to watch: Here's the leader! OWS doesn't need a leader! Here's a list of demands! OWS doesn't need a list of demands! What's the message? You mean you don't know the message? It's organic, it's astroturf, it's whatever you want it to be!

When has there ever been this much handwringing about the leadership, affiliation or point of a protest, especially about the individual protesters?

Should the protesters take a loyalty oath?

Pick a prominent politician and you can bet that someone out there protesting supports him/her.

[quakerboy]

59. define support

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. Can a person believe in heaven without believing in God?

Sure, a person can believe anything they want.

[Vinca]

61. I can "support" both, but only because of the maniacs running for the Rep. nomination.

Put a viable OWS candidate on the table and things could change. That's the problem. We're trapped between 2 major parties and each has moved more right every election.

[Codeine]

62. Of course. It's the difference between aspiration and pragmatism.

I support the aims and goals of OWS but I realize the President has political realities to face.

[WI_DEM]

63. Of course you can support both. But I see there is a sizable minority on DU who feel they can't

so maybe they'll be happier with President Gingrich or Romney.

[Ter]

64. No option for neither?

I wonder how many votes that would have gotten.

[AtomicKitten]

65. I thought about that after the fact.

Maybe something interesting would have crawled out of the woodwork.