Freeperland split on whether Newt is an acceptable candidate

[stevenleser]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2814114/posts

To: SeekAndFind
Well, I guess those poor li’l evangelicals can just re-elect an America-hating muslim.



2 posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:34:36 AM by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind
Land is correct about the evangelical women but I dare say that it isn't merely the evangelical ladies who are turned off by Newt's alley-cat ways.
These actions, forgiven by God or not, remind other women of another articulate, slick guy who is good making a "sow's ear sound like a silk purse," and that guy would be none other than Bill Clinton.

Do we want to witness such scum sitting in the Oval Office and feel comfortable that he'll not find another Monica cavorting around the corner - I think not.


18 posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:11:54 PM by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Genoa
You get a “clean slate” if your coming into the Catholic Church (or any Christian community, for that matter) includes being baptized (Important: baptism is a non-repeatable, once-in-a-lifetime event).

Since Newt was presumably already baptized, he did not get a clean slate by virtue of being baptized when he became a Catholic. He did get a clean slate by virtue of receiving the Sacrament of Penance at that time, but his ability to do so was contingent on his two prior marriages being annulled. I have no information about the grounds for annulment in either case, but have no trouble believing that valid reasons did exist. I accept his conversion as genuine.

The fact that Newt is now a Catholic with access to the sacraments pleases me personally, but has no bearing on my interest in supporting him politically. It certainly does not make him a saint. I think Newt’s a phony, a windbag, a prodigious ego, and not to be trusted. I disagree with his support of torture. I am not aware that he’s ever renounced past statements he’s made in favor of embryonic stem cell research. I will not be voting for him in either the primary or general election.



20 posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:19:55 PM by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: SeekAndFind
GEEZ people he isn’t running to be your husband.Granted he isn’t my first choice but I’d vote for him in a heartbeat over having who is in office serve a second term.



23 posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:50:25 PM by chris_bdba
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[tabasco]

1. Those "clean slates"

are quite remarkable!

[stevenleser]

2. I know. And I get the whole religious forgiveness thing. All religions have their ways of being

forgiven for sins, but the way it is discussed in that FR thread just seems so cheap and convenient. Kinda like Newt himself.

[opihimoimoi]

3. Newt is a Puke walking around posing normal....Nasty man...do not listen

[apnu]

4. "Romulus" is a fucking idiot. He forgot about confession!

That's right, all catholics get out of jail weekly through confession. Tell the Church all your dirty secrets, say a few beads of Hail Mary's and "poof" you have a clean slate.

What a maroon.

[stevenleser]

5. Well... I think Romulus was specifically referring to divorce and remarriage.

That is in general what that piece of the debate was talking about over there because there concern was how Newt was able to be a good practicing Catholic with multiple divorces on his record. I'm not an expert on Catholicism but I believe there are few "get out of excommunication free" passes for divorce and remarriage as a Catholic. I don't think confession gives you a clean slate on that one.

[apnu]

6. Maybe yes and maybe no. Take the case of my mother.

Who's been married and divorced 5 times, now on husband #6 who converted her to Catholicism. She had a whole system of stuff to do before she could get married. And then she got her "clean slate"