"Ask Osama Bin Laden...whether I engage in appeasement."

[jefferson_dem]

- President Obama, just now, responding to inane GOP charges of foreign policy / national security weakness.

VIDEO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnObS88mE8Y&feature=player_embedded

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[catbyte]

1. I love it when he's feisty. Please keep it up!

[steve2470]

35. + 100000 nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. or Somali pirates n/t

[jefferson_dem]

4. Or some 20 odd scumbag "leaders" in Al-Qaeda who are now expired...

[Vattel]

9. Or the innocent bystanders killed as collateral damage

in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Tragic...

price to pay.

We agree.

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19. Tragic price to pay? You make it sound like the only way to do this is by killing innocent people

in the process

[jefferson_dem]

25. It only "sounds" that way...

because you're not even listening ... to anything other than your own illogical dogmatism.

[no limit]

27. Then by all means explain. Why does this have to be the price we pay?

There is no other way to do this?

[Lord Magus]

56. Because war isn't a video game.

There's no way to guarantee innocent civilians will never get caught up in it.

[dennis4868]

20. lots of innocent people died...

in WW2....are u saying we should not have fought that war?

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21. lots of innocent people died...

in WW2....are u saying we should not have fought the Iraq war?

Gee, what possibly could you not justify using your logic?

[Vattel]

44. What I am suggesting

is that we have unjustifiably and inexcusably killed innocent people in our current war against terrorism.

And by the way, we killed far more innocent people in WWII than we should have.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. That's what I was screaming at the tee vee last night! Why do people forget that

That the taking out of the Somali pirates was one of his first acts as a foreign policy president!?!? *banging head against the wall*

Oh, and BTW, that act was praised by Republicans and Democrats alike!!!

[Whisp]

3. what a great comeback line.

goodness but those GOPs are going way over the friggen lines lately. they are Desperate, treading water, losing breath. going down........

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. They are flailin' and failin'

n/t

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[bigwillq]

6. Good line.

:thumbsup:

[BeyondGeography]

7. Funny

He's a socialist, so he must be a wuss, right?

[Vogon_Glory]

8. And President Obama didn't shilly-shally about it for eight years, unlike the Republicans. n/t

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10. Or the hundreds of innocent children that have been killed by "our" drone attacks

[FrenchieCat]

12. Like civilians were so much better off with GOP Shock & Awe!

I believe that innocent civilians shouldn't never be killed period....
and I also submit, that Shock and Awe killed hundreds of thousands,
as opposed to hundreds.
Is either right? No.
Is hundreds an improvement over thousands? I believe that it is.

[no limit]

13. What a persuasive argument you have there

"Hey! We kill less innocent people than they do!".

If Republicans kill thousands, and Democrats kill hudnreds, maybe we should find someone new? Instead of simply going with the lesser of 2 evils every fucking time?

Also, drone attacks have gone up under this administration, by a long shot. The fact Obama hasn't fully invaded a country is no excuse.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Not hundreds. The point of the President's comments is that he HAS killed one particular "person"...

and a couple dozen others, in particular. "Hey! We kill more bad guys than they do!" Sorry.

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16. Drone attacks ordered by the Obama administration haven't killed hundreds of civilians?

[jefferson_dem]

17. Nobody is arguing that point.

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18. Right, we are just talking about what big balls Obama has

and all I'm saying is if you are going to point out his anti-terror policies as an example of that you should include all the innocent people killed in an effort to make that point.

[great white snark]

22. The point is President Obama took out a mass-murderer.

It has nothing to do with his "big balls".

In every war innocents suffer.

[jefferson_dem]

24. Make you a deal...

Every time you give him/us credit for expiring murderous thugs, I'll lament any innocents lost in the cross-fire.

[no limit]

26. I will never give anyone credit that feels killing 10 innocents is okay

because 1 bad guy went down with them.

[jefferson_dem]

28. So be it.

Have a good day. :hi:

[slay]

34. Neither will I

i do not even understand how people who call themselves Democrats here on DU can support murder. it's stuff like this that makes me question if i'm even a Democrat anymore. :(

[Lord Magus]

55. I wasn't aware that being a Democrat meant being a pacifist.

Despite what the media's tried to make us think since at least Gulf War, war is not a video game. It's still impossible to guarantee no civilians will be caught in the crossfire.

But you make it sound like Obama is emulating the IDF, and blowing up apartment buildings full of civilians to get a single terrorist inside. He's not.

[Vattel]

62. There is a huge difference between pacifism

and merely demanding an adequate justification for actions that predictably kill innocent people.

[tledford]

42. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 eom

[ellisonz]

59. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000000000000000_%28number%29

[Vattel]

46. Thank you for being morally decent

[Cali_Democrat]

57. Exactly

One innocent life snuffed out is one too many.

[treestar]

65. Even if the bad guy killed many more than 10?

The bad guys just win with that attitude.

[boppers]

81. What is an acceptable ratio?

Aside from "hey, the world is perfect, we can somehow never hurt innocents" games, is 10 million bad guys being killed, which screwed up a stop sign, thus leading to the traffic death of one innocent, okay?

Or are you operating with a mindset that a perfect system, which never hurts any innocents, is possible?

[Dreamer Tatum]

67. Then MAN, must you love the death penalty. nt

[Life Long Dem]

23. "The fact Obama hasn't fully invaded a country is no excuse."

If we were not there in the first place you would have no deaths.

[boppers]

82. Yes, nobody died in Iraq before.

They lived eternally.

(Have you noticed that some "death counts" include things like heart attacks, and muggings?)

[treestar]

64. Wouldn't doing nothing be "appeasement?"

Love it how there is no way to do the right thing.

[CakeGrrl]

15. The guy the GOP failed miserably to get.

Hit these asshats HARD, Mr. President.

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[Cali_Democrat]

31. Those innocent civilians that were killed by drone strikes....

should have known damn well that Obama don't believe in no appeasement.

USA!! USA!!! USA!! We're number one!!! :headbang:

[CakeGrrl]

39. So call The Hague.

:eyes:

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[CakeGrrl]

41. You come by and sling gross generalizations and mischaracterizations of fellow DUers around

So what kind of dialogue do you seek in a forum that you seem to dislike so much based on your pattern of remarks?

[slay]

80. Seemed pretty accurate to me

EOM

[Beacool]

32. He sounds like Bush's brother from a different father.

:eyes:

[WI_DEM]

33. sour grapes, still?

:eyes:

[JoePhilly]

36. Obama has to put out the fire, but not get the house wet in the process.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

66. +1jillion. n/t

[Beacool]

50. Drinking the Kool-Aid, still?

:eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

38. And Hillary would have "obliterated" Iran if need be. 'member that?

No worries - that was a rhetorical question.

:hi:

[Beacool]

49. ONLY if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

:hi:

[SunsetDreams]

51. OH so it's ok to Avenge an Attack on Israel but not the USA?

:shrug:

My guess is if Hillary would have got OBL you wouldn't take issue with it.

[ellisonz]

60. +1

[Beacool]

68. Her statement was in response to a reporter's question.

The reporter didn't ask her what she would do if Iran attacked with nuclear weapons the US.

:eyes:

[SunsetDreams]

69. Not sure how, but you miss the point.

It's somehow ok for The US to get involved in another countries problem, but by your standards, if we are attacked we can't retaliate against the country, organization/person(s) involved. Oh but we can by all means attack another country for attacking Israel. At least according to you that would be ok, and as long as that person is Hillary, not Obama. I don't care if her statement was outright or in answer to a question, that isn't the point here, but I think you know that.

That's... just wow.:eyes:

[ProgressoDem]

54. I'd say if Iran straight-up nuked Israel, yes it would be appropriate to obliterate them.

[CakeGrrl]

70. Alas, we'll never know.

;-)

[Beacool]

74. Never say never..........

;)

[Brigid]

43. You beat me to it.

Best comeback ever! :rofl:

[mikekohr]

45. Mission Accomplished by steady, quiet, competance

that'a a pleasant change from the loud mouth cowboy we had in the White House from 2000-2008.

[Pisces]

47. Despite the naysayers on this thread, Obama is kicking ass and taking names!!!!

[jefferson_dem]

58. Haters gonna hate.

Fuckem.

[Pirate Smile]

63. .

[BlueStater]

48. If he didn't say anything, people would be criticizing him for letting the GOP define him.

Either way, he can't win with everyone.

[SunsetDreams]

52. Nice Response!! nt

[ProgressoDem]

53. Kick ass!

[Cigar11]

61. It’s about time he Bitched Slapped these Idiots

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

71. DAMN! He's so hot here!!!! n/t

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[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. Don't hate! Our president is a handsome man! Love it when you ODSer's can't stand it!

ROFL!!!!

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[BlueIris]

78. The Admin will rue the day he ever used the OBL killing for political self-aggrandizement.

At this point, they're almost asking for flack over it. Which is a dangerous route to take. I didn't want Bin Laden left alive, but trying to use it to bolster his image is going to backfire.

[BklnDem75]

79. In what way?

I'm pretty sure any 'flack' will come from the actual killing and not from a one liner.