Sometimes I just think we are never, ever going to get universal health care

[CreekDog]

not a good bill, not a bad one and not an in between one.

we can't pass a good bill because there are too few votes for it and too much powerful opposition to it.

we can't pass a bad bill because, well everyone knows why.

and we can't pass an in between bill because it's not a good bill.

so we get.....NOTHING, or nothing to speak of.

and poor people, well, poor people always wait for a better day.

[Avalux]

1. Creekdog -

Please look at this legislation as the beginning. It won't be a great bill but it will be a starting point, and from there we move forward and make it better. I'm looking at the long view and the possibilities that will arise from signing this bill into law.

[CreekDog]

2. I support passage of the bill, I'll be saddened if it doesn't make it through

because then we will be left with nothing and i don't see anything in the works to replace it.

and that's what saddens me actually, is contemplating defeat of the bill and actually ending up with nothing.

that's worse than this.

[wryter2000]

3. Never, ever is a really long time

If we really do follow-up on this bill, good can result. We have to keep fighting.

To keep myself sane, I'm saving my pennies to send to Joe Lieberman's next opponent. I'll send money to a primary challenge for Ben Nelson, too. I'll feel really happy when I send it in.

[treestar]

8. Now you're talking about doing something useful

Can't have that on DU! :hi:

[wryter2000]

9. LOL

It's going to be fun watching the fundraising. :hi:

[Davis_X_Machina]

4. Bank on it.

I’ve been saying for months that an ad-hoc righto-leftist House coalition would sink any bill, and while I’d be happy to be wrong, I don’t expect to be disappointed.

I anticipate that the same fate, based on the House vote on ACES, await the cap-and-trade bill, provided it too limps out of the Senate, and any financial-regulation overhaul.

[Armstead]

5. Maybe by 2075 we'll aquire some damn brains as a nation and

catch up with the civilized world. But not in the current morass that is contemporary politics.

People would support it if a case were ever made, because universal single payer (Medicare for all or a variation) makes more sense on all levels -- budgetary, socially and personally.

But as long as we allow our lizard brains to rule our common sense we will be prevented from learning what other nations have already figured out.

[CreekDog]

6. I'm not sure Medicare for all is a shoo-in, athough it should be

i have met too many people whose brains are contaminated with the thought the there is something wrong with government provided or procured health care.

no logic conquers that.

so many people believe it and suddenly, universal health care from the most successful government program of all time (or one of the two) is suddenly akin to asking people to shop at KMart.

someday maybe cooler heads will prevail, but right now, almost half the population thinks Jesus is against Medicare and i haven't seen much that is more powerful than this line of thinking, sadly.

[Armstead]

7. The wingnuts bother me less than the ones who know better and still are afraid to do what's correct

There is always going to be a segment of the population who reflexively hate everything that smacks of "liberal socialism" -- although if there were injured on the job they'd be at the head of the line applying for Social Security disability benefits.

The saddest and more frustrating barriers are the moderates and liberals who know that we currently have a lousy system, that some form of real social insurance is the solution and have the power to improve it in a meaningful way -- and yet still shy away from it.