Could the president issue an executive order

[Ken Burch]

FORBIDDING the IRS to enforce the insurance mandate?

If he could, would he have the stones?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I suppose he could.

But we hated it when Bush governed by executive order because it violated the Constitutional principle of separation of powers. If it was wrong when Bush did it, it would be wrong if Obama did it.

[IndianaGreen]

3. The power we give the government to do the things we want

will also be used by the government to do the things we don't want.

The Unitary Executive must be dismantled.

[Ken Burch]

4. You could turn the "It's OK when OUR guy does it" argument against the DLC types who USUALLY make it

:evilgrin:

[BeatleBoot]

2. It would be a waste of time to do so

since the IRS can't prosecute people for not meeting the insurance mandate.

[Ken Burch]

6. Ok. Well, enforcement power on this has been turned over to them

I'll change the OP title to clarify.

[BeatleBoot]

10. Should we have an executive order declaring auto insurance unconstitutional?

The result would be fines, similar to driving a car without auto insurance.

But it's fun to add the drama of the IRS goose-stepping into your home and forcing you to "pay the mandate"

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Rush Limbaugh had said something similar recently.

[Clio the Leo]

5. No, but Dick Cheney does.

fortunately "having stones" enough to govern like a tyrant was not the man I wanted in office.

[Ken Burch]

7. Stopping the insurance companies from stealing from us

is not "acting like a tyrant".

And, if the final bill has mandates but no public option or cost controls, we all know it IS theft.

[Clio the Leo]

9. by forcing us to pay LESS for health insurance?

The GOP was right, Obama really is Satan. :eyes:

[Ken Burch]

11. You're assuming Big Forma will voluntarily refrain from price-gouging.

n/t.

[Clio the Leo]

12. And you're assuming that Congress is never going to address the issue again. NT

[jenmito]

8. It's already in the bill that there is no punishment for not complying with mandate. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. Why would he? He supports the mandate

[PBS Poll-435]

14. No

eom.

:eyes:

[Azathoth]

15. There seems to be a number of people who think the President should choose which laws to enforce

Dubya tried that approach, and we all know how well it worked...

[TheKentuckian]

16. Agreed, but it would be pretty cool to not have Presidents signing bullshit laws

into effect and even better not giving on such a thing without massive tradeoffs or at least some little ones like choice, competition, and accountability.

Is it too much to ask for protection of the people from a predatory monopoly run by folks that would shame blood sucking vampires?

Either individuals or our government or most likely both are even more open to getting gouged than before. What compromise? The one where we pay them whatever they'd like for as many people as we can to get covered and in exchange we make it the law of the land that every soul buy their shit at whatever terms offered?

Stop talking about a compromise! We got fucking rolled and worse all signs point to us continuing to get fucking rolled on each and every issue where it is a matter of the people's interest or the corporation's. At best, after we've raised the pig, slaughtered it, cooked it up, served it, and fucking washed the dishes that we can cook the entrails up for ourselves.
Pretending we didn't get our asses swatted like a baby and sent on our way with a lollipop won't change that we are in so deep that we declare victory at trading away enough pounds of flesh to get them to take more of our money to do what the fuck they are supposed to be there to do.

I just plain don't get how we get the message out loud and clear that we do not wish to be and just will not be sold out to the corporations if we keep saying it is okay as long as we maybe get a crumb here and there.

Mandating a predatory monopoly under the pretense that vague regulations without enforcement but starting out with time lapses and loopholes is not acceptable and if it isn't slavery it sure seems a close cousin. If our overlords fail to treat us right then we have only the same bullshit insurance commissions lead by the likes of Ben Nelson to turn to for remedy, just like now.