This is not a Liberal America, This is not a Conservative America.....

[peoli]

This is the United States of America.


Someone got me a Barack Obama calendar for xmas and I read this quote on the back and it struck me in an entirely different way this morning. When I heard it at the DNC convention it gave me chills but today I see that President Obama is actually governing in this way and it is deeply profound to me to watch this quote actually come to life.

What we are seeing is the left and the right up in arms over how Obama is governing, making compromises and concessions. I come to this site and see people freaking out and then I walk into the other room and hear the Fox News that my father is addicted to and listen to the right freaking out. He doesn't believe in your far left, or your fathers far right as much as he believes in doing what he thinks will help the greatest majority of people no matter what their political beliefs are.

Arguably his most famous quote was actually all anyone ever needed to know about how he would govern should he become president, and how he will continue to govern now that he is President.

I personally think it's pretty awesome.

[YOY]

1. Actually it's corporate America.

Every choice that we throw under the guise of democracy is just window dressing.

[peoli]

2. Bitterness noted.

[dkf]

3. When Bernie Sanders said this, he sounded more than bitter.

We are owned by the corporations. I'm bitter too.

[Donnachaidh]

6. childishness noted.

:eyes:

[donheld]

23. ignorance noted

[YOY]

25. "bitter", "jaded"..."cynic"...call me what you want to. Just don't tell me I'm dreaming.

Because my lying eyes don't really dream too much anyore.

[niceypoo]

27. How can you notice anything with your head in the sand?

[snagglepuss]

4. Nail meet hammer. Not to understand that this is reality is to be living in LaLa Land.

[Hydra]

5. Yup

Our Gov't is the best money can buy.

[cliffordu]

11. Try to live your life without those same scummy corporations.

they have all of humanity pinned coming and going.


Unless you want to 'fight club' the entire world....fuggeddaboutit.

[niceypoo]

30. What would I do without a cluster of Chevron stations, McDonalds, and Denny's

...at every freeway offramp? Spare me the agony.

[harun]

17. +1, United Corporations of America.

[defendandprotect]

7. This is an overwhelmingly liberal nation . . .

as proven by the right wing need to hold such tight control of media of all sorts --

from TV to raido, think tanks of their own creation, publishing houses, news agencies,

not to mention having much of our "free press" worked over by CIA.

Further to that, the right only can rise via violence -- assassinations, intimidation,

blackmail, stolen elections, deception, false flag operations ---

Religion is also a primary tool of patriarchy/power elites -- and it has long been used

throughout history. Papal Bulls to encourage Columbus re enslavement of Native Americans,

or death. Same for Africans enslaved here.

Fake right wing religious movement in America --

GOP gave start up funding for Christian Coalition --

Scaife financed Dobson's organization -- other wealthy right wingers financed Bauer's

organization.

US/CIA also created not only the Taliban/Al Qaeda thru ISI-Pakistan --

and used it to "bait" the Russians into Afghanistan in hopes of giving them a "VN type

experience" !!! This was during the Carter administration.

US/CIA also created the fake VIOLENT Islamic movement -- and pushed it into Middle East.


The youthful revolution of the 1960's . . . was anti-authority overall --

The civil rights movement, women's movement, all were anti-cultural - anti-patriarchy.

Organized patriarchal religion is the underpinning for patriarchy --

That's why it had to be resurrected --

All of the right wing is as fake as the "teabaggers" -- but their violence is real!

[Jim Sagle]

8. Amazing comment - should be its own post.

[Lost-in-FL]

9. +1, nt

[FrenchieCat]

14. good post actually.

But the media and our own ignorance and lazyness rules us.

Folks here who could be doing something constructive,
are the same ones here posting negative shit about this administration,
but doing little else.

[Ihaterush]

20. In a sense, the conservitives rules us

The conservitives rule us by scaring the media. The media in general is not the liberal machine of hate that republicans make it out to be. There constent acusations keep the open mind of jornalists closed. It is on of the biggest group thinks of all time. this strategy dates back to the Regan adminastration. Basicly the idea is to tell every one that the media is liberal and then any article slanted even slightly in the liberal favor Is used as propaganda to tell every one that the media liberal.

[silverweb]

10. If that's true...

... then the overwhelming number of liberals had better get off their fannies and GOTV in every election, big or small.

And then they'd better never sit down again -- but continue to cajole, harangue, and pressure their elected representitives to actually represent them.

If what you say is true, then the overwhelming number of liberals in this nation are a bunch of lazy-assed pansies who can't stay focused for more than a few months every 4 years or so.

What's needed is persistent and sustained electoral and legislative activism -- not bursts of intense energy, interspersed with short periods of "revolution" talk and looong periods of absolutely nothing but bitching.

If we lose seats in 2010, it will be because liberals really don't care as much as the RW does.

[FrenchieCat]

15. It is as poster said......the media owns us, and we react accordingly.....

Those stomping their feet and saying they aren't voting in 2010,
are our Achilles Heels; or as I once said, our weakest link to
a way out. They are more interested in realizing a self fulfilling prophecy,
than actually helping the people.

[defendandprotect]

18. You have to remember that not only Cheney commented on the

fact that the right wing creates our "reality" . . . and that we have to

deal with it as if it were real . ..

But, John Mitchell told us the same thing -- "that America was going to become

so right wing it would make your head spin" --

Jack Ruby -- alleged assain of Oswald -- also told us that those involved were

extreme right wing -- Nazis. Ruby foretold a great deal from his knowledge of

the people he was dealing with. Including VN.

[defendandprotect]

16. I'm not sure if you mean ... if the numbers are true . . . or if you mean

looking at the fake reality created by right wing we should be more motivated?

Which is it?

There's a lot to be discussed in this regard of right wing created reality --

for instance . . . did Humphrey win in 1968 -- was there really ever such a thing

as Nixon's "Southern Strategy" ??? Or was it all simply large and individual computers

coming in at that time that gave them the ability to steal elections?

Coincidentally, these computers began to come in just at the time America was passing

"The Voting Rights Act" . . .

From looking at most here, I would suggest to you that liberals/progressives possibly

care MORE than those who are so quick to suggest acceptance of corporatism/fascism.


Anyway, there are lots of other questions about all of this --

9/11 and our wars -- much of it based on a belief in Taliban/Al Qaeda --

US/CIA created the Taliban/Al Qaeda -- used it to "bait" the Russians into Afghanistan.

US/CIA also created the VIOLENT Islamic movement and moved it into Middle East.


We need a discussion here of the large computers used by MSM and how that increased their

power beyond simply reporting vote tallies to actually PREDICTING and CALLING elections --

including by STATE and for presidential elections/electoral college.

And how those illegitimate powers permitted them to then progress to RECALLING Florida from

Gore and later CALLING it for Bush!


And why are we still using individual computers which are hackable?

[JoeyT]

19. Uh huh.

"If we lose seats in 2010, it will be because liberals really don't care as much as the RW does. "

Yeah, stupid lazy liberals. How dare they not vote for people that despise them and refuse to listen to them in any way.

[depakid]

21. This is also shown in credible polling- over and over, on issue after issue

progressive positions on the issues- often by substantial majorities, at times ranging into the 70th percentile.

[burning rain]

12. So, were FDR & LBJ "far left"...

to create Social Security and Medicare as public programs and institutions rather than force people to invest on Wall Street, and buy private health insurance? Really, the claim that there's not a liberal America and a conservative America is seeming more and more like a ploy to try and delegitimize the very idea of anything other a moderate conservative crony capitalist vision. "There is no alternative!"--TINA--as Margaret Thatcher used to insist. To be sure, she was an extreme conservative, so I'm not comparing the president to her in that regard, but the attempt to delegitimize alternative political discourse, seems pretty similar.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. yeah it is a rightwing corporate kleptocracy

which is neither liberal nor conservative but rightwing authoritarian and massively corrupt. What it sure isn't is a republic by the people and for the people.

[Clear Blue Sky]

22. Money talks, bullshit walks.

To the President and Congress, the people are the bullshit. Big business (Wall St, insurance, pharma, etc) is the money.

[davidpdx]

24. K&R

Some people have long forgotten that what we have to accomplish isn't going to be easy. They would rather throw in the towel after 11 months. I urge people go to back and listen to what he said on the campaign trail.

[LatteLibertine]

26. Yep, Corporate America

with those below the most wealthy 1-10% being virtually invisible, save around election time.

[niceypoo]

28. "Making compromises and concessions"

for nothing in return, all in the name of, 'bipartisanship,' that does not exist.

[asdjrocky]

29. Liberal people...

Conservative Corporate ass sucking politicians though. That's the problem.