Why are americans celebrating in the streets, DC/NY like something has actually happened?

[jp11]

We killed one guy, the wars aren't over, the terrorists who hate us won't all quit their mission to kill people, why are they celebrating?

Are they all drunk out of some local games, I don't follow sports has the world series just ended?

[leftstreet]

1. bin Laden was associated with The War on Terror. Maybe they think it's over?

:shrug:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It is a huge psychological victory.

It is good news at a time where there hasn't been much.

[Blue_In_AK]

3. I, too, feel a bit underwhelmed.

When hte troops come home I'll feel a lot better. This is just one man.

[jp11]

67. This is how I see it, and I can't understand how people can think the death

of a terrorist leader will change much if anything. I've lost track of how many 'top men' in the terrorist hierarchy we've killed or captured and they still exist, we went after their money and they are still there, we went to take their training ground/homes in Afghanistan/dismantled the taliban terrorist government and they are still there then moved to Pakistan.

I guess I see it as being really naive that finally getting someone who has been part of the larger global terrorist group means we won or that we've finally done it. It has been nearly ten years since this all started and we haven't been hearing about how this one man was so important or that he was our #1 priority, no it was that we needed to dismantle and take care of the 'plague' that was/is terrorism and we're still fighting that war. The death of a terrorist leader isn't the same as the death of a head of state, which is what I see people seeming to treat this like.

[MadBadger]

4. Has the World Series just ended?

lol

[immoderate]

15. A milestone, a feather, a trophy can be claimed...

First time in 60+ years.

Everything is make-believe anyway, right? :shrug:

--imm

[KittyWampus]

a bit of closure for those who were in the heart of things Sept 11th

[emulatorloo]

37. He can't seem to get it. n/t

[Codeine]

5. Because he was a fucking dick

and he's dead.

[immoderate]

18. Well put.

--imm

[Fuzz]

32. +1

[tammywammy]

34. +1 n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

35. +1000000

[Raine]

55. EXACTLY!

and I'm glad he's dead.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Thank you.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[blueamy66]

77. Well played Codeine.

spot on

[RandomThoughts]

6. That is the power of a loaded macro

How a word can have stored emotion, and the concepts around the phrase of him being gone, have an attachment with many people.

They probably don't think what it means to them, but it is some attachment to the loss, the fear, the sorrow, and also a form of closure on much of the ideas that have occurred since 9/11


You are thinking about it logically, not symbolically.

[jp11]

68. I could see that but his value/worth was underplayed for so long because we

couldn't find him, couldn't kill him and even then I think it was well known his death/removal wouldn't stop the terrorists in their tracks. It seems like people could only put that kind of worth on him if they didn't know what was going on in a larger sense of terrorism, what we as america are/did do in the world with our wars, ie if you latched onto him and 'only' him as the symbol ignoring so much more of what was/is going on.

[karnac]

7. Never underestimate the value of symbolism.

I have cheered, laughed, and cried tonight.

and sadness of what could have been had osama never been born.

[uppityperson]

8. For many it is a huge psychological victory, the other end of a really bad day 10 yrs ago

[MadBadger]

9. Great way to put it

[girl gone mad]

10. Brainwashed by a decade of propaganda/terror porn.

[Ikonoklast]

16. Yeah, he made those videos for shits and giggles.

Now he's dead.

And his followers that thought he was invincible must be hearing footsteps.

[emulatorloo]

39. Yes DC and NYC were never attacked on 9/11

It was all "terror porn"

Get over your self and show some empathy for people in the cities that suffered on 9/11

[davepc]

11. Yes, the world series ends on the 1st Sunday in May. Also known as the SuperBowl

[blueamy66]

79. Perfect.

Thanks for the big laugh on an early Monday morning.

[seabeyond]

12. why are so many coming in to shit on obama and the militaries accomplishment? nt

[Toucano]

19. It's not shitting on the accomplishment...it's questioning the public's reaction.

That reaction might be viewed as "unexpected".

[emulatorloo]

31. Some want to go outside. You don't. Move on.

Your topic isn't as profound as you seem to think it is.

DC and NYC both suffered on 9/11. If you think about it and have a little emphathy, you might be able to understand why they are out in the streets.

[Toucano]

38. I'm capable of deciding how profound something may or may not be and discussing it with people

who wish to discuss it.

That's the purpose of discussion.

Thanks anyway, Mom.

[emulatorloo]

41. Well, Dad, you seem fairly clueless. Do you really not understand why DC/NYC would find this

news cathartic?

[Toucano]

46. Oh, yes. It's "cathartic". A great release of the daily reminders of that fateful, blue-skyed

September morn.

Gimme a break!

[WolverineDG]

83. Someone's got to be the Debbie Downer, you know nt

[EmmettKelly]

13. I'm on the way out right now to join in with neighbors in the street

it's a big FUCK YOU to the assholes in the middle east who dared to celebrate 9-11. Juvenile? Maybe. Cathartic? Damn right.

[Kalun D]

65. I'm Really Surprised at DU

that there would be people here that would believe that 911 Arab celebration lie

that was on only one channel at the time

Fox "News"

[Throd]

14. Do you think this is not a good thing?

[Toucano]

23. Do we run into the streets every time a "good thing" happens?

I find this reaction a bit unexpected as well.

I'm not saying it's a bad reaction or an unwarranted reaction...it's just surprising to me.

[jp11]

69. I think it is good he is dead I don't think it is 'worthy' of running into the streets

as if our world/country now changed by terrorism and in many ways 'defeated' in the sense that we had to curtail our freedoms, step into 'their' backyard and bring american 'exceptionalism' to people's homes and streets by busting in doors.

[marions ghost]

72. +++ditto

Look at what we have really lost as a result of the "War on Terror." They have won, in many ways. We have paid so heavily, so heavily.

People still put Bin Laden's face on terrorism. It's a lot more complex than that. The extinguishing of OBL makes no difference at this point. Why celebrate a symbolic killing? There are a lot of people who think you can get rid of snakes by killing them. It's only symbolic. But OK, let the celebrators have their pound of flesh. I know that most people will not understand that there can be another perspective.

It should be OK to say you don't need this kind of hollow victory. There is a terrible legacy from 9-11 we have not even begun to deal with. That is what Americans don't want to acknowledge.

Just another day to me.

[OhioBlue]

17. how many deaths is the sob responsible for?

now he is held accountable... when emotions are high we don't theorize, philosophize and rationally deduct... we're just fucking glad the sob isn't free to kill anyone else... and had been made to pay the price for his actions... It's all emotional... it's real... it is what it is... save the rationalization for another day.... let those who want to rejoice, rejoice... 9-11 was huge on the national psyche. And this is huge too.

[sufrommich]

20. Because they're happy Bin Ladin is dead. nt

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[Puregonzo1188]

22. They have Bush/Cheney signs, but I think they're just drunk college kids.

I see people plotting parties in my newsfeed so I'm thinking people will use any excuse to get wasted.

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[emulatorloo]

27. He doesn't feel like running around outside, others do

Doesn't seem like much of a question. Certainly not a very interesting one.

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[emulatorloo]

36. Can you explain to me why you have no empathy for the people of DC and NYC?

Those two cities experienced the attacks of 9/11, those are the citizens who lost the most, who most had to deal with the physical and psychological aftermath of the attacks.

It seems perfectly normal that they would want to take to the streets, as this must feel like a little Justice has been done.

[Toucano]

40. Can you tell me why you have no empathy for the people of Afghanistan?

Tell me why you didn't fill the streets and demand the blood of those responsible for the targeting of unarmed innocent civilian children a few months ago.

Where was the bloodlust then?

How about the thousands murdered in Pakistan?

Tell me why don't you demand that these violations of the Geneva Conventions be investigated and prosecuted.

[emulatorloo]

43. What the FUCK are talking about. DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are certainly not helping your credibilty

And besides that I was not addressing you.

[Toucano]

51. Where's your EMPATHY?

Dancing in the streets because one bad man is killed while thousands, THOUSANDS, of innocents have been murdered in the process?

You call for EMPATHY for people because they live in a city of 8 million people where something bad happened, but you have NO EMPATHY for the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan who suffered for this "catharsis"?

You don't seem to understand how a discussion board works, by the way...you're not having a private conversation with someone, so you're addressing whomever reads your post. Just like you did above, where I had not solicited your input.

[emulatorloo]

53. AGAIN STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Do you think your intellectual dishonesty impresses anyone?

Lies impress no-one.

"You don't seem to understand how a discussion board works, by the way...you're not having a private conversation with someone, so you're addressing whomever reads your post. Just like you did above, where I had not solicited your input"

For heaven's sake. You say I don't understand a how a discussion board works, and then complain that I posted in your thread? That makes no sense. Seems to me that you are the one missing the concept of a discussion board.

Or am I supposed to be so intimidated by your bluster that I am blinded to the idiocy of that statement?

[Toucano]

54. You want an empathetic response to the jubilation over an assassination.

You brought it up, so you should now explain why we're supposed to have EMPATHY for the long-suffering souls of NY and DC, whom Osama tormented day and night, year in and year out. Those poor, struggling people of NY and DC, long stricken with brutal fear, finally free from his ceaseless torment now that Osama has been successfully assassinated, flock to the streets in the wee hours for their cathartic release.

Anyone who questions the appropriateness or reasonableness of that RESPONSE - anyone who wishes to DISCUSS the response - is lacking EMPATHY.

So I ask you again...where's YOUR empathy (and that of the NY and DC residents who are now so jubilant that their tormentor is dead) for the mothers and father of the unarmed, innocent children targeted and murdered by YOUR helicopter and as a result of your democratic government's orders on Tuesday, the first of March, 2011?

Why is the "dancing in the streets" reaction to the death of one old bad man require empathy, but the deliberate targeting of unarmed civilians not worthy of empathy?


It's clear you don't understand the meanings of the majority of words and catchy cliche phrases you've been fed by the media, as you're just parroting them out of context, so you can omit them from here. I'm really not affected by someone who doesn't know what "intellectual dishonesty" means calling me "intellectually dishonest".

[marions ghost]

75. well said

thank you.

"The deliberate targeting of unarmed civilians..." Collateral damage--doesn't matter to most people.

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[emulatorloo]

45. To those people it is. It brings them some closure.

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[emulatorloo]

52. I'm not "arguing" for anything. I am explaining why they are out there.

[Hannah Bell]

60. justice would be george bush in chains. he's killed more people than obl ever thought of.

[Solomon]

81. emulator, it's not that. These people are terribly unhappy

that Obama might get some credit for doing something good.

They are Debbie Downers today. LOL

[IsItJustMe]

91. I hear that.

[tranche]

25. the miserable can stay inside and grumble, the young and capable can celebrate

Its always been that way.

[Hannah Bell]

61. "capable" -- of what? of getting drunk & shouting "USA"?

[MrMickeysMom]

26. We are truly dumb Americans out of work ...

... Also, there's nothing on TV...

G,night!

[AsahinaKimi]

28. I have to admit, as a Buddhist, I can't celebrate anyones death

But I am glad people in this country feel better, and that politics might change so people will be more civil to each other...well One can hope.

[marions ghost]

76. How does this

make anybody more civil?

[AsahinaKimi]

92. Thinking about it ...it won't change

Conservative or Republican's minds much about Obama. They will find other ways to dislike him... though maybe the tone will come down a bit.. or maybe not.

[pnwmom]

29. Something has happened. Obama kept his election promise.

If he hadn't, he'd be in a much worse position for reelection.

Maybe you don't care whether he ever got Bin Laden or not, but millions of Americans do.

[jp11]

70. I care more about how our country has changed, and how we have bankrupted

ourselves to fight wars, put young men and women into harms way with no end in sight, when we get those things taken care ob I'd feel a lot better and no I probably won't run into the streets to chant USA or wave a flag around.

[fishwax]

33. catharsis?

[Swede]

42. What is wrong with you?

They got the fucker.

[calimary]

56. Simply put and spot on!

Hey, seems worth celebrating, to me! And yeah, if I were running the campaign, I'd be thinking about all KINDS of ways to use this, damn straight!

[krabigirl]

64. I won't be cheering until the fucking wars are over, sorry.

[crickets]

66. Don't apologize. You're not alone.

When the troops come home for real and nobody's hand goes for my crotch the next time I fly - CHAMPAGNE ALL AROUND!

[jp11]

71. Nothing, he is one man our country has been changed probably for

decades if not 'forever' with fear mongering legislation and practices not to mention the wars and our own efforts to surge terrorist ranks with mismanaged policies and illegal actions from torture/assassination is that all going to change now, nope.

[FarLeftFist]

48. There's always that one person. n/t

[SoCalDemGrrl]

49. I guess you just do't get it. Enuff said!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. you are a cynic.

[Raine]

57. He was a fucking murderer, glad he's dead, it should've happened long ago.

Geesh some on our side are never happy with anything this country does. It's no wonder we get crap about "hating America". :argh:

[Hannah Bell]

58. centers of empire.

[gauguin57]

59. Some are out there in psychological victory. Others (I'm convinced) just wanna be on TeeVee.

I think people have joined the crowds for varied reasons. For young folks, this dude's threatening visage has been hanging over their formative years -- and now he's gone.

At my alma mater, Penn State, I think some are out there because they're genuinely happy ... others, because Penn State students will find any reason to run through the streets during the finals study period (I did it myself thirty-some years ago) and burn stuff and party.

[Gravel Democrat]

78. .

[krabigirl]

62. Jingoism and nationalism. Nt

[KurtNYC]

73. so none of your neighbors or friends was killed on 9/11/2001 ??

I was injured in 1993 attacks. My father was on a plane bound for NYC when 9/11 happened (they landed in PA).

Fortunately, I DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO CELEBRATE !

[marions ghost]

80. America

as we know it, was killed on 9-11.

Go ahead and celebrate, but realize that it's not the end of anything. What 9-11 set in motion will not end with the mere physical death of OBL.

[spanone]

74. think about it.

[WolverineDG]

82. Yeah, dammit, why are they so damn happy??

How dare they celebrate the fact that the asshole who killed 3000+ & destroyed the WTC is now deader than a door nail, when there's so much other shit going on in the world!!

:spank: :spank: :spank:

I hate it when people are happy!! :spank: :spank: :spank:

:sarcasm: Sheesh. Lighten up, Francis. People still celebrated on V-E Day, even though the war in the Pacific was still going on....

dg

[jp11]

84. V-E Day was after surrender was accepted not the day Hitler's death was published/announced.

Which was about a week prior.

[WolverineDG]

85. But the war was still going on nt

[WatsonT]

86. Bin Laden was a very prominent and effective leader

he may be replaced by someone more skilled, but that is not likely. So in all likelyhood we have reduced their ability to operate significantly.

[Last_Stand]

87. Humans are monkeys.

[Imagevision]

88. FOXnews will be playing some old Viet Nam protester video claiming it happened yesterday

[Iggo]

89. Because in America, war is a sport...

...and we just totally scored a touchdown!

USA! USA!

:patriot:

[IsItJustMe]

90. The images of people cheering and shouting USA USA seemed very inappropriate to me.

That seen seemed more like the American Team had just one some type of sports event in the olympics.

Personally, I think it is a time for humility, contemplation and retrospection.

[UTUSN]

93. What wasn't it that *didn't* happen, again?!1 n/t