Three issues with what I heard on CNN regarding Bin Laden from supposed government insiders

[bighart]

1) Buried at sea within hours of being killed. No real opportunity for third part verification of the remains.

2) DNA testing underway but not really crucial as it is a "face the world will recognize". Is this a prep for the DNA test were inconclusive?

3) Strike teams orders were "kill do not capture". So we carried out a execution on Pakistani soil, that was the goal.

[snappyturtle]

1. Yes. I don't understand why anyone would un-rec this....but, they did.

I am glad OBL is out of the picture however, I think the process will cause some difficulties down the road. I think the sea burial could have been delayed after the world became aware that nobody seemed to want the body. To just dispose of it so quickly, even though that abides with Islam, I foresee LOTS of questions. Time will tell. IMHO

[bighart]

2. I'm sure the unrec is due to the fact that I am not celebrating.

I don't know if it was Bin Laden that was killed, I hope it was, but the things I listed are concerning to me.

[seabeyond]

3. the only point to address.... why conclude no verification in the time they had the body?

would take no time at all to have plenty of people and film verify and document

[bighart]

4. Agreed.

Of these three issues this one is the least concerning. If they did want to be respectful of Islamic tradition that isn't a bad thing. I think it may have been wiser to hold the remains until verifiable proof could be obtained.

[seabeyond]

5. i think it was the only issue with challenge. dna will come back. no reason

to put out conspiracy when no evidence.

and assasination. ok. so.... i think the right decision

[bighart]

6. The message that DNA testing wasn't really crucial

just really struck me as odd. Why would anyone connected with the government say something like that?
And while I don't disagree that assassination was probably the right choice I find it off-putting that there was
apparently not even supposed to be any attempt made to take him alive.

[seabeyond]

9. because they are damn certain, but are doing for people that question. they have video

of assault. stuff they have gathered there. the body. visual. probably not a big deal in proof to them. probably awfully certain. adn doing it for the people that say.... not him

[bighart]

11. You make a good point in that there will be some who say it isn't

him regardless of the proof, DNA or otherwise. Making statements like DNA testing isn't crucial may feed into that, but DNA evidence wouldn't shut it down.

[bobbolink]

7. And the issue that won't be mentioned... an innocent woman was killed.

Of no concern. Isn't that interesting?

[bighart]

8. Not sure what to make of the woman that was being used as a shield.

If she was there against her will it certainly is a horrible addition to the situation. If she was there of her own free-will it is still sad but
part of the consequences of associating with know terrorists.

[bobbolink]

12. After all the uproar this weekend about the supposed killing of Khaddufous's son....

Don't you think the silence on this is a bit two-faced?

Different values on different lives, according to our reading of events

Interesting.

and... just out of idle curiosity... do many people volunteer to be human shields?

[bighart]

13. Just because they may have been putting her between themselves

and the strike team doesn't mean she wasn't at the compound with them voluntarily.

[bobbolink]

17. Great. Quite the compassionate answer. Not that I expect anything different.

[bighart]

18. Ok.

Not sure why the snark.
I am saddened by this whole situation concerning the woman.
If it is true that the orders were "kill do not capture" then unintended casualties were unavoidable.
My thoughts about the woman killed are if she was a prisoner it is much worse that she was killed than if she was there by her own choice and
was used as shield. If she knowingly AND WILLINGLY was there with them, serious injury or death was always a possibility.
I have more compassion for the innocent, civilians killed by unmanned drones for instance, than for those who place themselves knowingly in a situation like this. If you associate with bad people you may end up suffering the same fate as they do.

[PVnRT]

24. I remember a few going to Bosnia in the 1990s to volunteer as human shields

[bobbolink]

27. Not at all related to what I was talking about. But, no surprise, is it?

[PVnRT]

28. "just out of idle curiosity... do many people volunteer to be human shields?"

[bobbolink]

30. Ah, good job of cherry-picking. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of caring about

"the innocents".... except when it is something that is popular.

Then the life of an innocent is ignored.

Quite... convenient.

Not that many of us expect anything different.

[bighart]

37. If this is true I have little sympathy for her.

"She served as a shield -- this is my understanding -- when she fought back -- when there was an opportunity to get to bin Laden -- she was positioned in a way that she was used as a shield. My understanding was she was one of bin laden's wives," Brennan told reporters..

[KathyVet]

31. What makes you say she was innocent?

Do you have insider knowledge of her activities?

[bobbolink]

32. Do you have proof of G's assertions?

[Poll_Blind]

10. I heard all those things from CNN too. The first 2 don't make sense.

PB

[Aerows]

14. It's pretty odd

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, It is probably:

a) a cat
b) a dog
c) a duck

If it looks like bullshit, squishes like bullshit, and smells like bullshit, It is probably:

a) the truth
b) bullshit
c) Our government wouldn't lie to us, and besides, shut up

[bighart]

15. Well I think I am getting the message that the answer to the second question is C

[Aerows]

16. That's pretty much the message

I'm getting, too.

[bobbolink]

19. BWAHAHAHAHA!

:crazy:

Thank you for proving my point. I really appreciate it.

[bighart]

21. I am very confused.

[bobbolink]

22. That's obvious.

[bighart]

25. What point did I prove for you?

[Poboy]

20. Kick their asses and steal the gas!

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. Did OBL have gas?

:shrug:

[AngryAmish]

23. They could not take him alive

OBL is under indictment No Gitmo for him, n=only the federal lockup in Manhattan. Giant pain in the ass. So he had to be killed.

[cliffordu]

26. Ah, bullshit. HOw many 6 foot 7 inch dialysis patients his age are

wandering around the PLANET let alone that part of the world.

I would bet they have what the cops get at any death scene - blood, hair, fingerprints, maybe even dental imprints.

And they probably already had fingerprints on file.......

Just saying....


If they are lying about anything it's getting rid of the body.

I'll bet they are making Cheney eat the brains right now.....

[bighart]

29. You are probably correct on all points.

But to make the statements that were made, if true, just seem to lend credence to the idea that this was all for show.
Really my biggest concern is the issue of state-sponsored execution if they were not to give him a chance to surrender
or were given orders to shot to kill only, not to incapacitate for capture. I personally don't think that is a good road
to go down, and to admit it in the press is crazy.

[cliffordu]

34. He was a mass murderer by his own admittance and had stated on

multiple occasions that he wanted to kill more Americans.

People have this insane, naive idea that like in the movies you can burst into a room and say "get 'em up, bad feller!!" and

the bad guy will come along peacefully. Just hopelessly naive.

It was known in the Tora Bora days that Bin Laden travelled with a little dude who's job it was to kill him if it looked like he was going to be captured.

Maybe that's who did the deed.

But yelling 'Get 'em up" at a man that had spent a decade killing Russians and then led the forming, planning and executing of Al Qaeda operations worldwide is just silly.

[bighart]

36. I don't disagree with you.

I do have any issue with a mission like this being "kill, do not capture" which is what I heard on CNN. If it isn't true and the mission was "capture if possible, kill if not" I am ok with it.

[Aerows]

35. Making Cheney?

I don't think you'd have to force that zombie to eat brains, or children or kick puppies, either, for that matter.

[bhikkhu]

33. I think the burial was a good choice

in keeping with islamic practice of treating the body (I think), and then you also don't have some physical location to become a pilgrimage sight. Closing the chapter carefully - well done so far.

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. Seeing as how today's news services rush like hell to be the first to say a word about an event

it's no surprise at all the the real truth evolves with time.

[bighart]

39. Very good point.