Obviously Panetta Didn't Get The Memo

[Me.]

About adding to the neo-con fodder. What was he thinking saying water boarding helped in the capture of Bin Laden. If they had the info they would've gotten him 8 years ago.

[KittyWampus]

1. He didn't say that directly. And any info gotten via torture is not reliable. Ever.

[Me.]

2. Sorry But I Must Disagree

I heard him infer it was a part but that there were lots of other parts that went into the capture.

[elfin]

4. That's what I heard as well

Darn it

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I heard the same thing. It was his interview with Brian Williams, just re-aired on MSNBC within

the last 5 minutes.

[FLyellowdog]

3. The nickname of the courier was gotten several years ago

and I'm guessing that was possibly due to "enhanced" interrogation techniques. Are we still using them?

Source: Huffington Post

"In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed."



more:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-one-phone-call_n_856674.html

[Me.]

9. As I Understood It

Those 'enhanced' said they never heard of him which made the CIA think twice.

[Hissyspit]

11. My understanding is that K.S.M. only gave useful info AFTER the torture stopped

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2008/12/torture200812

"K.S.M. was certainly knowledgeable. It would be surprising if he gave up nothing of value. But according to a former senior C.I.A. official, who read all the interrogation reports on K.S.M., “90 percent of it was total fucking bullshit.” A former Pentagon analyst adds: “K.S.M. produced no actionable intelligence. He was trying to tell us how stupid we were.”

See this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1022745#1023606

[Me.]

15. That Would Be Believable

And puts lie to their noxious claims

[babylonsister]

5. Hahaha! "If they had the info they would've gotten him 8 years ago."

Are you serious?? There were ample opportunities to get OBL and idiot son dropped the ball. Some of it even seems intentional to me. Heard today the CIA? under dimson closed a special unit that had been together 10 years with their only mission being to capture OBL. He either didn't give a damn or ...? You tell me. But their intent certainly wasn't to get OBL after the initial hoopla.

[Me.]

10. Quite

So they deserve none of Obama's credit now.

[babylonsister]

14. The credit they're getting is that yes,

this man gave info after some form of torture, under bush's watch? Is that right?

They can have that 'credit'.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. He ended the interview saying that Obama would be happy to share the credit with Bush.

groan.

[Me.]

7. Groan Indeed

Sorry to say I felt the urge to slap him at the end

[WinkyDink]

8. I never liked the guy. No sarcasm.

[ClarkUSA]

12. What were his exact words in context? I doubt he ever said any such thing.

[Me.]

16. Update

Larry O'Donnell just said the WH is saying that Panetta didn't actually mean what he said

[coalition_unwilling]

17. Torture (and extra-judicial executions) are as American as

cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown)