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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:02 PM Original message |
Okay, this is bullshit: Somali pirates get 439 year sentences... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just like the guy who carjacks you and demands your wallet shouldnt go to jail either? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Did I say they don't deserve to go to jail? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Didnt you say those aren't the guys we should be going after? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Yes, they are not the ones we should be targeting if we want to stop piracy. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. So again if you get carjacked and robbed by some druggie who can't afford a hit you think |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
82. False equivalency. And an obviously deliberate and repeated... |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Their parole officers haven't even been born yet. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. ... |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. No, your post is bullshit |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They deserve to spend the rest of their life in prison? |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Yes. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. And why do you think they deserve to spend the rest of their life in prison? |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Kidnapping, stealing, threatening people's lives, killing innocent folks. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. They were not convicted of killing anyone. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. As a sailor, I'm not going to say it either. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I really don't give a shit that you're a sailor. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't give a shit that you are whining about pirates either |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Just because I don't think they deserve 439 years in prison? |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I think they deserve everyday. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Deleted message |
FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. They went throught the justice system |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. No, I'll complain here. As a civilized human being, I feel 439 years is fucking absurd. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Why you don't think armed kidnapping and confinement of innocents deserves harsh punishment |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I don't consider 439 years imprisonment harsh punishment. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Human beings that decided to commit extremely serious crimes. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Way to completely ignore my argument. I never said they should get off the hook. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You have no argument |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. You are just too cruel. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. You think life in prison is cruel and unusual punishment??? Does that view apply to any crime, or |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No, that applies to any crime. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Hey, I have an idea... |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Well, being that I lived in a house for 10 years with a convicted felon... |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Yeah, since recidivism is so low |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
84. So if someone thought Bin Laden was "rehabilitated," you would support his freedom? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. If he was truly rehabilitated, I see no reason why he shouldn't be set free. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
80. I have some bad news for you |
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Fla_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. Well. they most likely will not spend all 439 years |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
95. Well |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. 36 counts of kidnapping during piracy times 11 years per count = you do the math nt |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. They committed one act of piracy. There happened to be 36 people aboard. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. "36 counts of kidnapping...." and armed kidnapping at that. nt |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
87. ...Impersonating an officer of the Crown... |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
92. And yet 50 dead, 5000 made seriously ill by food poisoning... |
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SadPanda (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. YES!!!! Really!! |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. And it's been that way since man crawled out of the ooze. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. To be fair, their sentences should be reduced to 219 1/2 years |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. They are lucky they where not just hung without a trial |
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irisblue (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. so? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. They committed acts that deserve 439 years of imprisonment? |
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irisblue (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. what you suggest |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
90. Why don't we start by righting the wrongs of centuries of abuse? |
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irisblue (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. nice distraction point attempt |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. but they are eligible for parole after 275 |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. Held 36 people hostage for 47 days for ransom. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. They're lucky Seal Team 6 didn't come for a visit. |
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SadPanda (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
34. Reasonable people object to the OP.... when you set out to hijack and possibely kill innocent people |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. They DIDN'T kill anyone. |
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SadPanda (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Ya, only held them hostage for nearly two months, threatened repeatedly to kill and got surprised... |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I am absolutely serious. |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Sure you can |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
75. Maybe I should rephrase, we should give a damn about history. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'd cut it back to 79 years. So long as they serve every day. nt |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
40. Untold Stories about Somalia Pirates |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. But the European shippers will be caught eventually, and sentenced to 439 years in a Spanish court |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Right. Sure. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Ghost pirates, you mean. The most fearsome on the Spanish Main |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
102. I can get behind that idea! |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Welcome to DU: Where Two Wrongs Make a Right! |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #63 |
101. Thanks for the welcome, I guess |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. How tragically sad that mass kidnappers should spend their lives in prison.... |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
47. ........ |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
72. ... |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
49. Wow. Are you on a mission to perpetuate the "bleeding heart liberal" stereotype? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I think the point of the OP is theres a difference in jurisprudence between kidnapping and murder |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Madoff stole billions, didn't kill anyone, and is doing life without parole (nt) |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I'm not TOO worked up about this. After all... he is a pirate... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
97. He was a pirate, too. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
53. You're right, it is bullshit. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. You're right. It would have been more humane to give them life sentences. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
56. Paradoxical |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. Have them walk the plank .......... problem solved |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Actually done by South Asian pirates recently. They make you stand in the shallows |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
58. Extra |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. How many years in prison would YOU recommend? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. 1/3 of that sentence would be more than adequate. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
65. I can't unrecommend this strongly enough. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
66. Ask for your tuition back. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
68. You call it "bullshit," I call it "justice served." UnRec. n/t. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Wow, you're really upset about pirates. n/t |
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one_voice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. So basically... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
74. I think the punishment fits the crime. Piracy on the high seas should get life in prison every time. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Are you aware of the kind of conditions people live in Somalia? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. That is part of the reason that the punishment needs to be so severe. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. My god. No offense, but I consider that so ass backwards that it frightens me. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You are wrong, but it isnt the worst thing in the world to be wrong about. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Somali piracy is mostly kidnapping & holding ships for ransom. I fail to see the momentous OBL-level |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
105. Bank Robbers tend to get 10-20 years in prison per occurrence. I agree with that too. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. The only reason your ideas don't frighten me is that I know they will never be implemented. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 07:03 AM Response to Reply #76 |
99. So, people in dire straits the world over have a right to steal, murder and extort others |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
78. This isn't hockey. More than one person can sit in the penalty box at the same time. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
93. They bought their tickets, now they take their ride. nt |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
98. Fuck em. Find some other cause to cry over. They are PIRATES |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
100. You haven't bothered to tell us what your fairer sentence would be... |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
103. Unrecc'd, and they should have been HANGED |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
104. I agree. 400 years should be the max. 439 is just way overboard. eom |
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