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n2doc
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Wed May-04-11 07:47 AM Original message |
Judge awards $1.9M to family of boy killed by bear |
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CBGLuthier
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Wed May-04-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. People of the World I have News. |
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blueamy66
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Wed May-04-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I am so sick of these lawsuits!! |
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uppityperson
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Wed May-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
157. Did you even read the OP article? The campground people knew they had a bad bear and chose |
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pipi_k
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Wed May-04-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. And it's not just camping... |
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geardaddy
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Wed May-04-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
90. +1000 |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. -1000 |
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geardaddy
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Wed May-04-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
122. Any of what? |
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ejpoeta
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Wed May-04-11 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. i don't understand how the forest service is responsible. if i go into the forest, |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. There were no signs posted, when they spoke to a ranger, no warning was made |
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FLPanhandle
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Wed May-04-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Great another waiver to sign |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Fuck the waiver. they should have been warned |
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FLPanhandle
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Wed May-04-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. All wildlife can be dangerous |
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Wed May-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. How about warn people when an actual bear attack happens recently |
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FLPanhandle
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Wed May-04-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. The earlier "attack" was on a tent not a person |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
113. Oh, well that's different, then. |
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pipi_k
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Wed May-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
134. No signs about the other incidents, that's true, but... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. You don't know what could be done? |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree with this ruling. |
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blueamy66
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Wed May-04-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Really? |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. It was Utah, not Alaska |
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blueamy66
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Wed May-04-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
107. No. I try to stay out of Utah. |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
108. Yes, some people need signs to protect them from bears. |
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blueamy66
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Wed May-04-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. No, they are not better off dead. |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Well, you and I definitely do not agree. n/t |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Furthermore, it's a sign. At my most cynical regarding this case |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. Here is some advice. If you know nothing about swimming do you swim? |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
109. Um, they do post signs at pools about whether a life gaurd is on duty or not. |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
135. LOL.....many beaches do not. No creeks or rivers do. Give it a rest. n-t |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Oh, I'll give it a rest all right. |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
151. Thank you!! n-t |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #141 |
153. You will LOVE this...... |
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callous taoboy
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Thu May-05-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #141 |
166. Got you on |
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Shagbark Hickory
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Wed May-04-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. I guess I have a differing viewpoint. From only the information I see here, judgement seems ok. |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
111. Couldn't agree with you more! |
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uppityperson
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Wed May-04-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
158. Me also. The campground was negligent in not warning about an aggressive bear that's attacked someon |
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Wed May-04-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. I feel for the family, what a horrible loss. |
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Wed May-04-11 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. Repeated calls to the bears cave for comment went unanswered. nt |
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MadHound
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Wed May-04-11 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
8. Sounds to me like this family won the lawsuit lottery, |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Wow, that was callous. Sounds to me like the family lost everything |
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MadHound
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Wed May-04-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I have lost family, |
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Wed May-04-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
56. It is possible for more than one person to be negilgent. |
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MadHound
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Wed May-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Not an apt comparison, |
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Wed May-04-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. True but when one goes camping one doesn't assume their was a bear attack yesterday. |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
93. Really. That's a good analogy. "You should just assume your brakes might fail" |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. And how will 2 million help that? Give me a break. n-t |
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pmorlan1
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Wed May-04-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
101. lawsuit lottery? |
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reggie the dog
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Wed May-04-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
149. if you cook over the fire you should change clothes before going |
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DailyGrind
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Wed May-04-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. If they knew there was an aggresive bear in the area |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Its common behavior for bears, and any animals |
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Wed May-04-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. Open food in a tent? Sorry, people need to educate themselves before |
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pipi_k
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Wed May-04-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Yep. And I bet they didn't know that bears... |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Caveat Camper? Sorry, you pay a fee, you expect a service |
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FLPanhandle
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Wed May-04-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. The fee covers the roads and campsites. |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
116. Wrong. I worked for the Forest Service in Alaska. Posting signs of bear activity |
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Wed May-04-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. compassionate leftists are like compassionate conservatives |
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joeybee12
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Wed May-04-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Difference between compassion and responsiblity... |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. And the park has no responsibility? |
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joeybee12
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Wed May-04-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. The bear attacked their family because they had open food... |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. The family may not even have been there had they known |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
117. Please see my post above: |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I don't doubt it. |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Myself, many hours in the Alaskan wilderness, I canceled plans to |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. The bear attacked that spot because 12 hours ago it found food there |
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Lucian
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Wed May-04-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
145. There is no need for compassion. |
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Wed May-04-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
164. At Yosemite you can't even leave toothpaste in a closed vehicle. The bears will break in to get it. |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
12. More... |
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Gormy Cuss
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Wed May-04-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. That does sound like a sensible ruling. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
131. One of the problems is far too many people know nothing about wildlife |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. The main purpose was to make money. If not donate all the money to charity. n-t |
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demwing
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Wed May-04-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Yes, you busted them |
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Wed May-04-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
105. Bad things happen. Sometimes it is no ones fault. n-t |
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Wed May-04-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
165. Not warning campers of an aggressive bear, however, does put them at fault. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
118. No shit. Demwing, |
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Logical
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Wed May-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Wow, clever! |
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Wed May-04-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
112. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
55. Food wrappers and trash in their tent? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. They weren't awarded money for their own stupidity. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
103. a high-level risk is having food wrappers in your tent |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. An even higher risk by far is a bear that had attacked there previously. |
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pmorlan1
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Wed May-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
99. I agree |
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Wed May-04-11 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
13. I agree with the ruling too. In reading other articles about the case (prior to the judge's verdict) |
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Wed May-04-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
162. "Of course the camp owner had a duty to disclose this. It was foreseeable." |
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Wed May-04-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
20. I'm saddened by the lack of compassion in this thread |
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Wed May-04-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
21. These cases are usually won because the organization didn't follow policy properly |
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Wed May-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. That's the concept the more insensitive "lawsuit lottery" posters can't seem to grasp. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
54. Not only that but money talks. |
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Wed May-04-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
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Wed May-04-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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Wed May-04-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Welcome to DU |
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Wed May-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. What is a shark had recently killed someone at that very beach. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
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Wed May-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. The judge didn't say they aren't culpable. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Well, it depends... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. The family may be idiots but that doesn't excuse the negligence of the forrest service. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
127. Actually, I believe the previous attack |
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Wed May-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #58 |
88. You probably agree with the Mayor of Amity Island and think Alex Kitner deserved ... |
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Wed May-04-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
129. Why would I think they deserved to get eaten? |
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Wed May-04-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #129 |
142. Because your posts make you look like you think they do. n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Care to be a bit more specific than that? |
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Thu May-05-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #150 |
167. Simple question: Would the town of Amity have some responsibility ... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
32. Sends a bad signal to the Ursine-American community |
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Wed May-04-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
63. Like you said... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
41. Can people on this thread not read? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. aparrently not...it's a good case and the right verdict |
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Wed May-04-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. For some reason |
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Wed May-04-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Describe the first attack |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
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Wed May-04-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. They actually went out looking for this bear. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. As a matter of course? The list of things the rangers would have warn people to "beware of"... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. No. Bear attacks are rare. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. What was the first "attack"? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The forrest service is still negligent. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. To a much smaller degree |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. They may not have been there had they known. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Or they might have. |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You would be a lousy judge n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. The award isn't on hypothetical. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. But 1.9M judgments help to ensure entities follow proper procedures. Eh? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Well good thing you aren't a judge. |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Whatever the "attack" was |
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Wed May-04-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. They could have and maybe should have, but I wouldn't award the family money |
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Wed May-04-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. You wouldn't have, and you would have been wrong. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. They already were assuming a huge risk with or without the warning |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Do you know the definition of rare? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Not really. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Okay, so what % of cupibility would you have assigned to the family? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. How about just disclose bear attacks in the last 24 hours? |
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pmorlan1
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Wed May-04-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
102. FLPanhandle |
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callous taoboy
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Wed May-04-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. Oh, snap! |
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FLPanhandle
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Wed May-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #102 |
123. Well, I don't sue the government when a hurricane comes along either. |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Yes, but there are educated decisions made based on information. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #126 |
136. I think the disagree comes from how liable we view the government |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I don't think that's where we disagree. |
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Wed May-04-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. No, they made a stupid decision |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. See reply 145. |
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Pithlet
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Wed May-04-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. BTW, the fact they had those wrappers WAS taken into consideration. |
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Wed May-04-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. So both parties had some culpability |
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Hassin Bin Sober
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Wed May-04-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Um, one of those parties lost their child. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
94. Describe Level 3 Bear Alert. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
86. +1 |
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Wed May-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
119. Spot-on post. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
48. How sad that the bear broke into their home, went upstairs & killed the boy |
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Wed May-04-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. No, it didn't. Still the right outcome. n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
160. How sad it is that the campground people chose profit over warning there'd already been a bear attac |
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Wed May-04-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
89. Some truly cold hearted homo sapiens in this thread... |
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Wed May-04-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
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Wed May-04-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
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Wed May-04-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
95. I feel sorry for this family, but give me a break. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. And if you are going to classify bears as Level 3 Dangerous, you should warn campers with kids. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. You live in New Hampshire |
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Wed May-04-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #100 |
156. I do. We had one do his business on the front porch a few years ago. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
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Wed May-04-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
125. Great, More Stupid People With Lots of Money |
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Wed May-04-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. And whatever they buy with their payout... |
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Wed May-04-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #125 |
161. Who was stupid? The campground people that chose to not warn there was an aggressive bear attacking |
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Guy Whitey Corngood
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Wed May-04-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
130. Colbert was right! |
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Wed May-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
133. In the wild. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
154. i like the bear safes to keep food and coolers in in yosemite |
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Wed May-04-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
144. Wait...what? |
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Wed May-04-11 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
146. Irony: the Forest Service is now more liable for your protection than the police are. |
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Wed May-04-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
147. they deserve nothing |
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Wed May-04-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
152. shouldn't they have seen bear tracks? |
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Wed May-04-11 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
155. I guess we'll have to start requiring a license to leave the cities. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
159. "Sheriff Brody?" |
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Wed May-04-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
163. kinda like the movie Jaws... |
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