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Liberal_in_LA
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Sat Jan-01-11 08:59 PM Original message |
ACLU has growing database of TSA patdown descriptions too graphic for public airwaves |
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GoneOffShore
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. And some here still say: "Anything to be safe!" |
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seabeyond
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. isnt it amazing. just amazing. but have other stories and the compassions pours out. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. +100 |
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KansDem
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. And some have said it's no big deal since you let your doctor touch you there... |
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freshwest
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
98. Yeah, but doctors say for them, it's like washing dishes. These guys are voyeurs or worse. |
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saras
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
134. No they don't |
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Stinky The Clown
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
129. I have no respect and little care for the people who remain accepting of this national indignity |
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Stinky The Clown
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. This level of indignity, amazingly to me, was put in place by a Democratic administration. |
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truedelphi
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. When it first becme obvious that Obama's progressive stance, on display constantly |
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Richard Steele
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
145. Good germans all. nm |
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pnorman
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. K & R ! |
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hlthe2b
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. This problem is not going to go away & likely to get worse... |
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SoCalNative
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is why I've given up travel |
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adamuu
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Sun Jan-02-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
126. I must fly for a job interview n/t |
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Matariki
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm amazed at how some will argue that we "give up" constitutional rights when we fly. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
39. That is the most absurd statement I have heard in awhile. n/t |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. No, Matariki is spot on, |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. So explain it to me. |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. No one is magically shielded from rapists and burglars, in a word, criminals. |
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LSK
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. the difference is you giving up your rights vs someone violating them nt |
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TalkingDog
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. I think your definition of Inalienable Rights needs some clarification. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. No one mentioned inalienable rights |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Er no, natural rights and inalienable rights are the same thing. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Philosophers and Political Scientists are not lawyers |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. And that doesn't mean jack shit in terms of who is actually RIGHT from an ethical point of view |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. And ethics have little to do with law enforcement |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Well, in this case, I'm talking about both |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I never tried to justify the TSA |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Then what the fuck are you trying to do here? |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. How do you think a woman's right to control what enters her um, private parts |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I answered that question, you didn't read it. n/t |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. And as I said, your answer was a bunch of gibberish |
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snort
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
131. Ignored |
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Maru Kitteh
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Mon Jan-03-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #94 |
153. Oooo - jumping to the personal attack because your argument sucks is |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. I will probably regret this, |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Sorry, I should avoid that word |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. what? |
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Deleted message |
Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. No, it's not |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Um, yes it is. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. wait, now you gravity *is* a right when I agreed with you? Wtf? |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. where you wrote 'um, yes it is' |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. When I said, gavity is simply a force, you said, "no it's not." |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. I agree with you, except for a matter of phrasing that is small but essential. |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. legal rights can overlap natural rights |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Respectfully, I must insist, |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. Actually it is frequently both. |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. I agree that Scalia is not the first idiot |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
107. "inalienable" or "unalienable." |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Your whole argument seems to be based on the fact |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. "But you can't do that!" |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Deleted message |
MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. DUDE, seriously? gravity? |
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AtheistCrusader
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
132. Wrong, You just described Unalienable. Inalienable and Unalienable have different meaning. |
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TalkingDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #132 |
157. I stand corrected. I did indeed mean unalienable rights. |
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AtheistCrusader
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #157 |
169. I could have been a little more polite about that, sorry. |
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TalkingDog
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Tue Jan-04-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #169 |
176. Da Nada |
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MsPithy
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. You are sooo right! |
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somone
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is sadistic abuse |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. TSA will tell you they are following whatever it is TSA tells them to do. |
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lunatica
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Sat Jan-01-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. I've said this before. Al Qaeda says "Boo!" and the US shits it's pants |
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LibDemAlways
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Sat Jan-01-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. If she was truly concerned about terrorists she'd preside over the |
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The Backlash Cometh
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
38. The private corporations vying for that power are a problem. |
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LibDemAlways
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I'm not suggesting we privatize it. Only that the current |
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The Backlash Cometh
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Without question. |
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mikehiggins
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. Who appointed her? Bush? |
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Can of Whoop-ass
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Singling out Napolitano |
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Odin2005
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
146. No, the PTB are using terrorism as a boogyman to scare us into accepting a police state. |
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LibDemAlways
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Sat Jan-01-11 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm glad the ACLU is gathering the information. I hope they |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I don't know what aclu is waiting for. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. They're looking for something that would be clearly unconstitutional, and overturn prior law. |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Well, from your link: |
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boppers
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It sounds like a generic full pat-down to me, not a strip search. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. I agree with you, regarding possible perception vs. reality, to a point... |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. The difference is |
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boppers
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
135. Google "Administrative Search Doctrine" |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Well, |
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boppers
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. From the same link: |
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LisaL
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Both the shoe bomber and underwear bomber got onto the planes, |
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boppers
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Mon Jan-03-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #143 |
164. Timeline is everything. |
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LisaL
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Mon Jan-03-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #164 |
166. I used to think that cavity searches was a far fetched idea, but |
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Sat Jan-01-11 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. The TSA is using a threat of sexual assault to force people into their new machines, period. |
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KeepItReal
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. +1 |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. this is my airport fantasy: |
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primavera
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Mine is to wear a kilt with nothing on beneath... |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. lol |
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DirkGently
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Sun Jan-02-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
123. Making the TSA squirm is a start. 8) Lawsuits and assault charges should follow. |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
67. Absolutely correct. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
92. Wonder what they'll do to my 75 year old mother, who CAN'T go thru the machines... |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
122. Enhanced pat down. |
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Odin2005
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
147. Or my friend with cerebral palsy who is also a rape survivor. |
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bbgrunt
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Sat Jan-01-11 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. time to send my contribution to the ACLU. |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
85. I'd ask them first if they plan to do anything about it, |
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Wouldn't this situation would be perfect for civil disobedience, if |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Some who underwent these "enhanced pat downs" have |
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mopinko
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. in another thread someone suggested singing |
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csziggy
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Mon Jan-03-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
158. I think we should sing "Toucha Toucha Toucha Feel Me" |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. Gee, whiz. We flew over the Holidays, and maybe we got lucky, but everything was fine. |
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grahamhgreen
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Just wait til they grope your child... |
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I saw TSA manhandling a child that couldn't have been more than 18 mos. |
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LibDemAlways
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. I saw equally terrible abuse of an elderly woman in a wheelchair. She |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
82. They'd likely do an enhanced pat down on someone like her |
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grahamhgreen
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
110. Shocking story! |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
151. i'm not surprised but i am angry |
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grahamhgreen
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
109. Shocking story! |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
112. I'm just reporting what I saw, Jack. |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #112 |
150. it's gotten far worse to be patted down or inspected over the past couple years |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #150 |
156. I'm sorry that my experience doesn't conform to your expectations. |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:37 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. how about forced x-rays? |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. What are you talking about? |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. CastScope --you cannot opt out of it |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 05:03 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. I think I must have said about 10 times in this subthread, that this is my personal experience. |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. No you said i was making it up |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. Where did I say you were making anything up? I never said that. I said I wasn't aware of a non-opt |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Well you kept denying it, here with your "throwing stuff at the wall" comment |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. I know exactly what I wrote. First off, I said "as far as I'm aware". Like I said, I |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. you mean you didn't see any pat-downs? |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Jan-03-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. No. Actually, I did not see a single pat-down. |
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Le Taz Hot
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Sun Jan-02-11 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
22. Excuse me??? |
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Bonobo
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
23. The funniest thing is hearing white people say there's no problem because THEY never had one. nt |
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CreekDog
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
149. people who don't go through it all the time or at all say it's okay for me to go through it |
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
24. My sister travels all over the country. She always travels 1st class. |
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NutmegYankee
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I have never seen a seperate screening lane for first class. |
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grahamhgreen
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Yes, first class has their own lines in most cases |
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Justitia
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Sun Jan-02-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
136. Hubby is platinum level, first class - different line, same security |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. i think |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Her boss, should be fired |
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SammyWinstonJack
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. +1000! |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. i've written to the president about it. |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Have you gotten a meaningful reply? |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. form letters at best |
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Angry Dragon
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. This "shit" stared under bush |
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Aleric
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Not the scanners, not the groping. |
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Angry Dragon
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Off the TSA website |
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barbtries
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. yep. |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
81. Well Obama clearly supports it. If I recall correctly he said |
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grahamhgreen
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
29. These people are disgusting, perverted, sick and unconstitutional. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
42. Not legal period! |
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm hoping the ACLU will take action against those searches. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. So, get on with it ACLU. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Take some action - now.... yes nt |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sun Jan-02-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
63. I feel so much safer. |
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Locrian
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
95. on purpose |
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Sun Jan-02-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
97. TSA worker statements of "we dont like this either" is bullshit |
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Liberal_in_LA
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
104. pat down photo of the day - TSA takes a peek down the pants |
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Blue_In_AK
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Some of those photos are very disturbing. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. You have to wonder what the hell is the |
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #104 |
120. I'd rather be unemployed |
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Mon Jan-03-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
173. Just what the hell was that small child supposed to be hiding? This is madness. |
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Mon Jan-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. The presumption of innocence, which is at the very heart of |
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Pooka Fey
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
106. K&R |
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ZombieHorde
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
111. Sometimes I think we deserve this for being so stupid. nt |
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Sun Jan-02-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
124. Speak for yourself. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
115. Where are the class action lawsuits because this shit is unconstitutional as hell! |
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
116. given what's happened i wonder if the TSA has a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy |
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
117. These abuses sound like they are coming from a small group of deviants who |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. No it doesn't. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. If this crap was not being tolerated or even condoned at the highest |
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Sun Jan-02-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
137. Your statement might be more accurate if you said "to my knowledge, no one |
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. I'll amend my statement to "No one in the federal government is publicly |
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LisaL
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Sun Jan-02-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. Obama was very public in his support of TSA. |
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bertman
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Mon Jan-03-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #140 |
165. He has supported every single intrusion into Americans' private lives that I |
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
118. The only thing that stops this |
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LarryNM
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Sun Jan-02-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
119. Check the Resume of the First TSA Administrator |
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Sun Jan-02-11 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
127. Many vow not to fly any more, the best way to combat this stupidity. |
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Sun Jan-02-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Yep, hit the airlines where it hurts. If people gave up discretionary |
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
142. every TSA person who does not refuse to perform this BS is complicit is sexual assult. |
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
144. Americans are nuts to let this go on ... especially based on the farce of an "underwear" bomber!!! |
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Mon Jan-03-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. I am not sure but what exactly do you think we can do to stop it? |
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Mon Jan-03-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. Let's see ... how about "just say NO" -- ???? |
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LisaL
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Mon Jan-03-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #152 |
154. Well that certianly has not happened (at least in large numbers). |
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Mon Jan-03-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Notice that no one is giving leadersip to resistance ... obviously, no one |
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Mon Jan-03-11 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
174. Fuck sakes... Does TSA mean SS in German? |
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